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Old October 31st, 2007, 05:01 PM   #441
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We need to make a new thread for International Financial Center then if that is the case. I would love to see the render of that skyscraper.
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Old October 31st, 2007, 05:34 PM   #442
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I didn't know the SOM design was chosen for the Shanghai Center? Or isn't it?
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Old October 31st, 2007, 08:00 PM   #443
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Old October 31st, 2007, 09:06 PM   #444
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I didn't know the SOM design was chosen for the Shanghai Center? Or isn't it?
as far as i know it has not been chosen
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Old October 31st, 2007, 09:30 PM   #445
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^I saw a diagram with tallest buildings of Shanghai, it was on the diagram!
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Old October 31st, 2007, 09:30 PM   #446
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OMFG whats up with shanghai these days? the new mayor have just gone and now everything is poping up~!

the new SOM plan for shanghai called 'pudong bridge' - connecting buildings with buildings

This looks awful! A horrifying urban concept! Try to clean up the streets, don't just try to move people off of them!
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that SOM concept is absolute bs.

Concepts like that ruinied a lot of cities already in the 60`s, now they remove it again ...
This is a horrifyingly 1960s concept, which has been proven time and time again that it doesn't work, it kills cities. It is of course the natural progression of an area with some of the worst urban design I've seen; an area that so completely gives itself over to cars that indeed, the natural progression is to shove pedestrians into horrible tubes over the roads.

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With thousands of vehicles increasing every week, they definitely need it. The traffic in Pudong is already worse than ever. They definitely need skywalks to prevent more accidents. I saw a YouTube video before where vehicles in Pudong is cramming like ants and hundreds of people walking across the streets. They definitely need it or they may suffer in the future.
Maybe they have gotten to the point whereby they need it now, but this only serves to confirm my point above. It is a symptom of terrible urban planning. The whole of this area of Pudong seems to be one massive experiment in resurrecting the modernist concept, but I can guarantee that it will not work. Putting tubes over the roads for people to walk across will not give the area any of the vibrancy of other CBDs because people will still have to walk huge distances in a car choked environment to get from one building to another. I honestly don't understand it, is it stubbornness or what? Why do Chinese cities insist on repeating exactly the same mistakes that Western cities made 40-50 years ago? I don't get it! The problem is that the damage that this kind of urban planning does to Chinese cities now will be far more severe than was the case in Western cities in the 1960s because the scales at which they are being implimented are just so much bigger, it will be irreversable.

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Maybe they should just make the roads narrower. This isn't the 2nd century AD where the wider your roads are, the better your city. Making the roads as wide as they were was just a very childish display of poor planning. Like WHAT WERE THEY THINKING?!?!?! Not only is it terribly inconvenient and a pain in the ass for pedestrians, it makes Lujiazui look so much worse than it couldve been. Lujiazui has a huge bucktooth gap in the middle of skyscrapers. No other CBD has roads that wide, not because they can't build wide roads but because it is utterly retarded. Even adding bridges won't make buildings closer to each other. It lacks density and vibrancy and with roads so wide, it will stay that way.
I agree with you, but I fear that it's simply too late. The buildings and the roads are there already, you could reduce the size of the roads by a few lanes, which would result in wider pavements, but I don't think that would help much. The problem is not that the pavements are too narrow, indeed, many of the pavements in that area are also massive, it's that everything is simply too big, distances too large. The only way you could improve this is to move the buildings closer together, which is clearly impossible.
The scale is quite simply rediculous! Look at that picture above, and you can fit another row of skyscrapers up the middle of currently the main road! With roads down either side, there would still be space to spare!

Before you all flame me for this, please note that I have been to there myself and I've walked around extensively on foot.

For reference, compare with two of the world's top CBD's.

London - Canary Wharf:
http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?q=Cana...&t=h&z=17&om=1

New York - Downtown Manhattan:
http://www.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en...&t=k&z=17&om=1

Now compare with Pudong:
http://www.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en...&t=k&z=17&om=1

Now I know that it is not finished yet and there are big construction sites on that google map, but even if you imagine every plot is built on, compare the building density and compare the road widths with the others.
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Old October 31st, 2007, 09:53 PM   #447
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^I saw a diagram with tallest buildings of Shanghai, it was on the diagram!
that doesn't say much . we have to wait until an official release, i really hope it will be the SOM design
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Old October 31st, 2007, 10:33 PM   #448
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I agree with you, but I fear that it's simply too late. The buildings and the roads are there already, you could reduce the size of the roads by a few lanes, which would result in wider pavements, but I don't think that would help much. The problem is not that the pavements are too narrow, indeed, many of the pavements in that area are also massive, it's that everything is simply too big, distances too large. The only way you could improve this is to move the buildings closer together, which is clearly impossible.
The scale is quite simply rediculous! Look at that picture above, and you can fit another row of skyscrapers up the middle of currently the main road! With roads down either side, there would still be space to spare!

Before you all flame me for this, please note that I have been to there myself and I've walked around extensively on foot.
I mean now seeing the google satellite image, the huge eyesore here is just century boulevard. The rest of Pudong is less dense than canary wharf or downtown manhattan, but its comparable to Shinjuku. I mean if they can just split Century boulevard in two and build mid and highrises down the middle, that can solve the problem can't it?
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Old November 2nd, 2007, 03:12 AM   #449
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i thought it was suspose to be 500+m ?
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Old November 2nd, 2007, 01:56 PM   #450
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i don't like this idea of pudong bridge as well...
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Old November 2nd, 2007, 09:38 PM   #451
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dont worrry about the skybridge just now, i think its already u/c (<---- SKYBRIDGE)

century ave needed one of those anyway, way too many violent drivers in shanghai, the skybridge makes the life easier, especially in the summer (40+ `C)

i dont think the design will affect the whole pudong area anyway, you won't be able to see as a whole skyline..
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Old November 2nd, 2007, 09:44 PM   #452
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Oh...!! already u/c really?? mean SOM's that true??
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Old November 2nd, 2007, 09:47 PM   #453
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ok, let me phrase myself again lol :p

the skybridge is already u/c i think
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Old November 2nd, 2007, 10:08 PM   #454
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ok, let me phrase myself again lol :p

the skybridge is already u/c i think
OK!! No problem!! i'm waiting for u hear good news soon!!
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Old November 3rd, 2007, 06:21 AM   #455
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I totally agree....
Your totally right man cities like NYC and London were already very densely developed before the age of the automobile and ridiculous highways. My opinion is this is why NYC boasts a really great and extensive mass transit system as well.
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Old November 3rd, 2007, 11:10 AM   #456
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The capacity of Shanghai's roads are obviously well above current requirements, its simply an example of a planned city. Where older cities will be experiencing a crunch in traffic, Shanghai will be getting along fine. I know this is an environmental nightmare, but it'll happen, shanghai's in its developing stage, soon the vehicle population will double or more, and all these monstrous roads will justify themselves. The horrible concepts of lost space, where cities are torn apart with transportation networks will come at an apropriate time, and this pedestrian bridge can solve the impending technical problems of lost space.

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Old November 3rd, 2007, 08:17 PM   #457
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Maybe they have gotten to the point whereby they need it now, but this only serves to confirm my point above. It is a symptom of terrible urban planning. The whole of this area of Pudong seems to be one massive experiment in resurrecting the modernist concept, but I can guarantee that it will not work. Putting tubes over the roads for people to walk across will not give the area any of the vibrancy of other CBDs because people will still have to walk huge distances in a car choked environment to get from one building to another. I honestly don't understand it, is it stubbornness or what? Why do Chinese cities insist on repeating exactly the same mistakes that Western cities made 40-50 years ago? I don't get it! The problem is that the damage that this kind of urban planning does to Chinese cities now will be far more severe than was the case in Western cities in the 1960s because the scales at which they are being implimented are just so much bigger, it will be irreversable.
Oh, it's terrible. At street level, all of Lujiazui is an eyesore. Not in the sense of messiness, but in the sense of lifelessness. It is sad to watch Chinese cities adopt the worst possible layouts.
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Old November 3rd, 2007, 11:03 PM   #458
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lol, i will just use this thread to keep up the news/development of lujiazui, since no one visits the other thread

from www.sina.com.cn

the government have approved the eastwards extension of lujiazui CBD. Including the shipyard and everything shown in the circle below, with a total land area of 2million squared meters.

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Old November 3rd, 2007, 11:06 PM   #459
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Good riddance. Those low-rise flats are hideous.
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Old November 3rd, 2007, 11:11 PM   #460
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i think so too.
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