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Old November 3rd, 2007, 11:14 PM   #461
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so are there renderings, whats constructed there?
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Old November 3rd, 2007, 11:16 PM   #462
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they are the stupid residential mid rises
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Old November 3rd, 2007, 11:55 PM   #463
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Are the residents compensated when they are forced to move? Most of them are probably renters though.
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Old November 4th, 2007, 12:03 AM   #464
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don't get me wrong i like it, i like it a lot...but is it necessary?
Well it may not be necessary, but it looks like it'll be great, especially if the weather is bad. I'm sure it'll get used plenty.
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Old November 4th, 2007, 12:15 AM   #465
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Oh, it's terrible. At street level, all of Lujiazui is an eyesore. Not in the sense of messiness, but in the sense of lifelessness. It is sad to watch Chinese cities adopt the worst possible layouts.
I don't think Pudong has to be vibrant, it's built as a green and clean area, where modern glassy buildings are installed with more space between them.
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Old November 4th, 2007, 12:31 AM   #466
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I don't think Pudong has to be vibrant, it's built as a green and clean area, where modern glassy buildings are installed with more space between them.
thats the whole concept of lujiazui/pudong

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Are the residents compensated when they are forced to move? Most of them are probably renters though.
The are getting paid to move, and often that could be a lot of money! (especially in this CBD area, i would say around us$50,000 / person in a household)
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Old November 4th, 2007, 04:23 AM   #467
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I don't think Pudong has to be vibrant, it's built as a green and clean area, where modern glassy buildings are installed with more space between them.
The road to hell is paved with good intentions...
Not that Shanghai is going to hell for this. Chinese cities have enough residual population density to ensure they won't die out, unlike American cities that became addicted to modernist planning.
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so are there renderings, whats constructed there?
Endless rows of what looks like barracks. Given the prime location of this land, they should build residential complexes at least 40 storeys tall.
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Old November 4th, 2007, 04:31 AM   #468
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I actually see the bridges as something useful... Cars would not need to stop as much, better traffic flow? Just a guess...
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Old November 4th, 2007, 04:32 AM   #469
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I actually see the bridges as something useful... Cars would not need to stop as much, better traffic flow? Just a guess...
Definitely. When I was in China, I noticed the greatest cause of traffic congestion is cars unable to turn right with pedestrians crowding the crossings.
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Old November 4th, 2007, 04:40 AM   #470
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they are getting ripped off if each person just get compensated for for $50000
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Old November 4th, 2007, 06:24 AM   #471
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whys that..i just estimated, could go up to 500000?
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Old November 5th, 2007, 05:03 AM   #472
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whys that..i just estimated, could go up to 500000?
There is absolutely no way a single person will be compensated that amount of money. Even $50k is pushing it. I wouldnt be surprised if $5,000pp was the amount compensated for the lost property.
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Old November 5th, 2007, 05:07 AM   #473
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i have no idea lol.

maybe it would be $5000us per squared meters?
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Old November 5th, 2007, 05:22 AM   #474
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China is not the USA and civil rights there are very questionable. (please note ambiguity )

$50us per square meter may be more realistic, maybe $500us.

Anyway... which firm is designing this tower? Anyone out there in cyberland have any idea if there is any announcment in the near future?
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Old November 5th, 2007, 05:30 AM   #475
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Actually the Chinese government has special office to deal with this even an office in L.A. California if the property owner lives in the US. They have a complicated formula to work out the compensation, it depends on the location of the property, how long you have lived there, your income level, rent paid there, etc. etc. I know a couple who have been paid over US$120,000 for a flat of 1,000 SF in Shanghai.
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Old November 5th, 2007, 05:44 AM   #476
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Thx Lotus. I would be interested in knowing what socioeconomic background this couple belonged to and whether they had political friends. What I am referring to in my previous posts is the average Chinese worker living in the housing estates in this image. These people have little money, no influence and little hope of disputing a measly compensation.
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Old November 5th, 2007, 06:05 AM   #477
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Thx Lotus. I would be interested in knowing what socioeconomic background this couple belonged to and whether they had political friends. What I am referring to in my previous posts is the average Chinese worker living in the housing estates in this image. These people have little money, no influence and little hope of disputing a measly compensation.
The implementation of any compensation scheme, I hear, depends mostly on the character of the officials involved. A risky, messy process, but equable in some cases.
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Old November 5th, 2007, 06:12 AM   #478
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Actually the Chinese government has special office to deal with this even an office in L.A. California if the property owner lives in the US. They have a complicated formula to work out the compensation, it depends on the location of the property, how long you have lived there, your income level, rent paid there, etc. etc. I know a couple who have been paid over US$120,000 for a flat of 1,000 SF in Shanghai.
thats correct, chinese government has no right to just move their houses. And in this CBD area of shanghai, no one knows HOW expensive it would be.

those people who live there are prob. just waiting to get paid. There are also a few people who refuse to move unless they are paid with a desired amound (greedy people >.<)

if chinese governemnt has the right to remove those houses with little pays, shanghai will be covered completely with highrises! lol
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Old November 5th, 2007, 06:25 AM   #479
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if chinese governemnt has the right to remove those houses with little pays, shanghai will be covered completely with highrises! lol
But isnt that exactly what is happening?

I dont know about how compensation is calculated or the figures involved. Im simply basing myself on a range of facts I do know about China and how things are done there. Also, there have been dozens of documented cases of evictions around China where compensation was next to nothing. In fact, a very famous example of this is the original farmers of the Terracotta Army... agh... Im getting way of topic and ive gone all political... lets get back on topic...

Sorry all...
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Old November 5th, 2007, 06:28 AM   #480
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Hmm, I used to live in that bit...
I'll always have a soft spot for my flat opposite the stock exchange. I doubt there is anywhere else in the world I could have afforded to live within 500m of a 400m+ building...
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