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Old September 8th, 2010, 12:51 PM   #4861
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truly shows that China is one of developed countries.
No, it`s not.
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Old September 8th, 2010, 01:04 PM   #4862
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Old September 8th, 2010, 02:06 PM   #4863
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does any one know exactly how there are going to place that outer layer of glass? i mean those glass atriums would be massive, i dont understand whats suporting them
i'm pretty sure the glass facade will be able to support itself until it reaches a division point as from renders is looks like there is two layers of galss, should help with cooling and lighting and stuff but the glass seems to have a steel structure of some kind holding it up and together and stuff, same as if it were attched to the building directly in ways. hope that was helpful, pay attention to the facade in the atrium renders and u'll see wat i mean
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Old September 8th, 2010, 02:24 PM   #4864
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Old September 8th, 2010, 02:28 PM   #4865
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都出地面了,很期待!!!
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Old September 8th, 2010, 02:37 PM   #4866
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Old September 8th, 2010, 02:41 PM   #4867
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Wait, so you want to say that you're more important than the guy who designed the building, architect, just by calculating things ?
There's no discussion who's better or more important..In such projects, engineer can't nothing without architects same as architects without engineers...Just in most cases architects take all credits for tower because their work is visible and work of an engineers ain't..That's it..
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Old September 8th, 2010, 03:01 PM   #4868
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Just a question here: Do architects even consider whether today's engineering technology is adequate to achieve the design before designing the building itself?
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Old September 8th, 2010, 03:05 PM   #4869
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Old September 8th, 2010, 03:55 PM   #4870
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!!! What for extreme progress they made !!!


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Old September 8th, 2010, 04:08 PM   #4871
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I like to add to your footnote

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An architect is the drawer of dreams
The engineer makes that dream possible.
The construction worker makes that dream real.


Sadly there is often not much credit or appreciation for the engineer nor for the construction workers.

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I love the architect. He is a genius. What a masterpiece!!!

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Old September 8th, 2010, 04:15 PM   #4872
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Just a question here: Do architects even consider whether today's engineering technology is adequate to achieve the design before designing the building itself?
That's the job of the structural enginers, but of course turning the architect's sketch drawings into the final design, involves co-ordinating with eachother.
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Old September 8th, 2010, 04:30 PM   #4873
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WOW!!!

with this speed they can easily reach somewhere between 10-15 floors before new year
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Old September 8th, 2010, 04:34 PM   #4874
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Apparently 12 is their target.
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Old September 8th, 2010, 05:10 PM   #4875
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with this speed they can easily reach somewhere between 10-15 floors before new year
this is the goal anyway
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Old September 8th, 2010, 09:12 PM   #4876
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They're already at ground level? I really like China's productivity
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Old September 8th, 2010, 09:15 PM   #4877
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Just a question here: Do architects even consider whether today's engineering technology is adequate to achieve the design before designing the building itself?
Ofcourse they do. As a studying Civil Engineer, Architect, and now pre-medical student (quite a bit, I know), I have been taught as an architect that architects must (key word here) work closely with engineers to make things go fluidly. Of course that is not the case in all buildings; there is a building right up the road from where I live being built for Harvard Law; and the engineers are throwing fits, especially trying to fit everything in mechanically. Due to this, there have been several setbacks in the finishing design and construction.

Nowadays most major firms (SOM, PeiCobb, Gensler, etc) do structural engineering on their projects as well to simplify the process.

In the case of the Shanghai Tower, there was no one single person who came up with the design. The concept was obviously conceived by the architects at the firm, but has been worked out and redesigned several times by both the engineering department and the designers.

So, if you are going to praise anyone for this project, a simple "good job Gensler" will do.
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Old September 8th, 2010, 09:30 PM   #4878
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does any one know exactly how there are going to place that outer layer of glass? i mean those glass atriums would be massive, i dont understand whats suporting them
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The tower is divided into several sections, with the glass curtain connecting to the actual building at the divisions. Think of the facade of the building as only a 15 or so story glass facade being suspended. The facade also connects to the building a couple of times between the divisions.

The question is justified and the answer is not easy. To install and support that huge mass of glass is one of the most difficult construction challenges. What the renders of ST suggest is a construction that is unheard of until now.

The most impressive free glass construction that I have ever seen is that of the beautiful and fantastic New Poly Plaza building in Beijing, the freely self-supporting glass frame construction is about 15 stories high. It is a plane, two dimensional glass frame, still the construction was utmost difficult and expensive to calculate and to build. Here are two photos I took:







With ST we will have several sections of – what? – 14 – floors, and the skin will wrap around the whole building. To design, build, and fix a support frame that is flexible but also sturdy enough and yet strong enough to carry huge masses of glass but also to withstand temperature differences and hugh weather forces without pressurizing the glass itself is a thing that I cannot yet imagine to work as the renders suggest. This is something that I am very much looking forward to seeing during the build process.
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Old September 8th, 2010, 09:33 PM   #4879
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The question is justified and the answer is not easy. To install and support that huge mass of glass is one of the most difficult construction challenges. What the renders of ST suggest is a construction that is unheard of until now.

The most impressive free glass construction that I have ever seen is that of the beautiful and fantastic New Poly Plaza building in Beijing, the freely self-supporting glass frame construction is about 15 stories high. It is a plane, two dimensional glass frame, still the construction was utmost difficult and expensive to calculate and to build. Here are two photos I took:

With ST we will have several sections of – what? – 14 – floors, and the skin will wrap around the whole building. To design, build, and fix a support frame that is flexible but also sturdy enough and yet strong enough to carry huge masses of glass but also to withstand temperature differences and hugh weather forces without pressurizing the glass itself is a thing that I cannot yet imagine to work as the renders suggest. This is something that I am very much looking forward to seeing during the build process.
The renders I have seen thus far show that the facade connects several times to the core between the sections of floors.

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Old September 9th, 2010, 01:50 AM   #4880
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and we hope that it wont break during a storm
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