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Old October 15th, 2010, 02:11 AM   #5141
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I Hope that the livelyness of the City doesent loose its charm under the stealy skyscrapers. I mean I live in a Small town in comparison to Shanghai but Even we have Glass and Steal buildings, and thay Seem to suck the People and Culture right off the streets it seems. Just Hope this Wont happen here.
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Old October 15th, 2010, 05:21 AM   #5142
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The use of that huge rebars is due to sismic conditions?
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Old October 15th, 2010, 05:27 AM   #5143
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嘻嘻,终于开始成长啦。。。。。
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Old October 15th, 2010, 07:32 AM   #5144
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I hate to say it but I was really disappointed with the feeling of the area. From far away it looks like the center of action but when you get there it seems really cold and quiet. The skyscrapers themselves are very impressive. I felt like I was in a big field with skyscrapers along the edges. Hopefully they'll fill this place in with some density, maybe some street vendors, shops, etc. It looks like in time they will make this possible and get more activity buzzing in there.
i agree completely, i've been there twice, and it's exactly how u described it - cold & quiet. I really hope after most of the construction is finished that it will naturally be more lively, vibrant, street carts, etc...

i think one main 'problem' is that the streets are too open. it lacks the connectedness and 'warmth'. if it was more compacted then i dont know, maybe it would feel different.

is there a seperate thread/discussion about this?
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Old October 15th, 2010, 11:16 AM   #5145
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Overplanned CBDs are like that. Open spaces, useless greenery and almost no city life
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Old October 15th, 2010, 11:55 AM   #5146
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The worst part is that the very large block the IFC twins are on used to contain a large restaurant area. It was the only part of Luijiazui with any atmosphere. They bulldozed the whole block a month after I moved to Shanghai and into a flat a couple of blocks away...
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Old October 15th, 2010, 01:44 PM   #5147
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sigh...
i remember theres pretty lively restaurants in the super brand mall, theres one with an incredibly large seafood buffet and it overlooks the bund - spectacular!
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Old October 15th, 2010, 02:33 PM   #5148
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What I don't understand: most of the beautiful towers have integrated shopping malls where you will only find luxury and designer shops where you can buy super duper expensive Dior shirts or whatever. When I see photos published in this forum, all these malls look all similar: a lot of marble, shiny metal, glass – but empty, boring, soulless, cold. Consequently: there are seldom people strolling around in these photos. I love to see the towers but I have no interest whatsoever to visit these malls. What I miss is the lively down-to-earth neighbourhood with its markets and affordable restaurants and shops, vibrating life and atmosphere – but to find this I have to go to the grown and “unspectacular” quarters.

Also: I cannot believe there is a big enough target group for this massive accumulation of luxury shops. Who needs so much stuff? Who can or is willing to afford crocodile handbags for RNB 25.000? Especially in China - I mean, who needs it if you can buy all these things in the Silk Market Street in Beijing, or in the “what was its name”-shop in Nanjing Road in Shanghai for a fraction of the price - and with a little haggling it come even cheaper – and I also think the shirts sold there were probably made in the same factory like the real shirts, probably during the night shift. I bought a watch with automatic movement and some complications (calendar, weekday, month, phase of moon - display) for 100 RNB in the Silk Market and the quality is good, I have been wearing it for three years now and never had to wind the watch, the time is precise to the second. The shirts I bought there were RNB 40 or 50 and the quality is very good. Why would I need a RNB 1600 shirt? They are probably made in the same factory anyway.

So - I love the tower and the engineering skills that I see in these towers - but not the malls coming with the towers.

A city needs its heritage, it needs the mix of old and new. The Old has to be preserved because it cannot be created just like the New. I read that Beijing regrets their sins of the past, i.e. the destruction of old grown quarters, especially the beautiful Hutong areas. Therefore, the remaining Hutong areas are now preserved. This is good.

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Old October 15th, 2010, 03:37 PM   #5149
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The problem with those ultra luxury malls is that they only need a few customers a day to be profitable. Am I wrong?
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Old October 15th, 2010, 03:48 PM   #5150
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It's all about status in China, I know a girl who makes 2000rmb a month who saved up for years to blow it all on a LV bag.
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Old October 15th, 2010, 04:22 PM   #5151
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You are right: I know a girl from China, too, who went to Paris to buy a super duper luxury lady's purse for EUR 160. She could have bought a similar purse in her home for maybe RNB 100 or less.

In contrast, I just love to go to China to browse here



and here



BTW: I also know another Chinese lady who shops her designer fashion and “accessoire” in the silk market, too.

So it is always about personal attitude and therefore it is not possible to generalize behaviour.

But these boring luxury malls – I wonder if they will last, or what they will look like in 10 years time from now. I wonder if they will turn into an enjoyable environment? At the moment they look as sterile and cold as if you could perform a brain surgery there.
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Old October 15th, 2010, 05:59 PM   #5152
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china IS an emerging power
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Old October 15th, 2010, 06:59 PM   #5153
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But these boring luxury malls – I wonder if they will last, or what they will look like in 10 years time from now. I wonder if they will turn into an enjoyable environment? At the moment they look as sterile and cold as if you could perform a brain surgery there.
What do the malls built 10 years ago look like now, and what did they look like on opening 10 years ago?
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Old October 15th, 2010, 08:56 PM   #5154
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"emerging power"

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Old October 15th, 2010, 09:56 PM   #5155
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Pudong is the future of urban development in China. This is the face the government wants Chinese cities to have. Don't expect cheaper shops or street vendors in the next 200 years.
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Old October 16th, 2010, 12:04 AM   #5156
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It's all about status in China, I know a girl who makes 2000rmb a month who saved up for years to blow it all on a LV bag.
Respect. But sadly most people will still think its a fake because of her social status.
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Old October 16th, 2010, 01:16 AM   #5157
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I found a use for the shopping malls. They have very nice toilets! Something that's sometimes quite hard to find.
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Old October 16th, 2010, 10:15 AM   #5158
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If you have problems with the mall in Pudong just visit Deiji Plaza in Nanjing. I have never seen a mall concentrated so much on labels.

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Old October 16th, 2010, 11:40 AM   #5159
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Pudong is the future of urban development in China. This is the face the government wants Chinese cities to have. Don't expect cheaper shops or street vendors in the next 200 years.
What was the face of Shanghai in 1810?
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Old October 16th, 2010, 11:40 AM   #5160
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wow... its "come out" from the ground like a infant. cute
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