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Old March 13th, 2011, 06:02 AM   #6521
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This building actually has slightly less floor area than the Shanghai World Financial Center, both are over 4 million sq ft. That's not including the over 1 million sq ft the Shanghai Tower supossedly has in basement floor area. Does anyone know how much underground area the WFC has? It's a statistic that is rarely listed but it seems substantial, I think. Judging by the foundation hole, which looks just like the Chicago Spire hole, the basement of the ST has distinct floors, which I'm assuming is a unique feature as over a million sq feet sounds like a lot of basement.
Shanghai Tower's floor area is slightly larger.
SWFC: 4,108,000ft^2 (470,000ft^2 below grade)
ST: 5,608,000ft^2 (1,518,000ft^2 below grade)
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Old March 13th, 2011, 06:23 AM   #6522
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Has traffic gotten a lot worse in Shanghai recently, and is the walking and bicycling people associate with China decreasing?
There was an enormous decrease in the number of bicycles on streets during the recent year as Shanghai metro becomes more extensive and has became people's first choice as public transportation.

As for me, 90% of the time when i have the choice between driving and taking metro i would choose to take the metro. Literally everywhere inside the Inner Ring in Shanghai is within 1km reach of a metro station. You also save so much time and money from seeking for parkings and traffic jams.
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Old March 13th, 2011, 06:55 AM   #6523
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Is there a reason why the Shanghai Tower has such a large basement? I know it's not just because it's "such a huge building and has a bigger foundation" because all skyscrapers go to the bedrock, but most don't have finished basement floors that go as deep as ST's.
Do you know how many basement levels it has by any chance?



Also, that's really interesting news about the shift in traffic. Is the metro a train other than the subway, or are the two terms used interchangably? What about buses. In miami the bus system, the largest public transit, is known as metrobus.
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Old March 13th, 2011, 07:04 AM   #6524
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Is there a reason why the Shanghai Tower has such a large basement? I know it's not just because it's "such a huge building and has a bigger foundation" because all skyscrapers go to the bedrock, but most don't have finished basement floors that go as deep as ST's.
Do you know how many basement levels it has by any chance?



Also, that's really interesting news about the shift in traffic. Is the metro a train other than the subway, or are the two terms used interchangably? What about buses. In miami the bus system, the largest public transit, is known as metrobus.
There is no bedrock surrounding this building. The bedrock is far below, which is why they have piles driven into the ground. Much of the area is soft soiled/swampy (Lujiazui used to be farm land 20 years ago, and is sinking right now). The large foundation is for additional support and for below grade space (for parking, etc).
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Old March 13th, 2011, 07:27 AM   #6525
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That's interesting, considering how skinny it is it must have -20 or so floors
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Old March 13th, 2011, 07:34 AM   #6526
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That's interesting, considering how skinny it is it must have -20 or so floors
Actually, it has only 5…
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Old March 13th, 2011, 07:34 AM   #6527
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I think the underground floor covers pretty much the whole plot, not just the areas beneath the tower itself. You can see them digging down the whole plot.

Btw, metro is just subway, im pretty sure you can use them interchangeably. Shanghai got millions of bus routes, i barely take buses, two main public transportation for me = subway + taxi.
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Old March 13th, 2011, 07:53 AM   #6528
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Old March 13th, 2011, 08:25 AM   #6529
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5 floors and over a million square feet? They must be huge floors, well what's the square root of 1.5 million divided by 5?

And BTW it seems like they would stick 10 more feet on just to make it beat the TST. I know it would seem childish b someone has got to be thinking wow it's 10 feet shorter. I'll bet the height changes, I'll bet it tops out differently, buildings sometimes do. 1 inch off per floor would make it +/- 10 feet.

...only it's a circle so what's the pie root
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Old March 13th, 2011, 08:46 AM   #6530
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1500000/5=300000

3.14x^2=300000

sq rt 300000=550

550/3.14=175

175x2= 350

So the diameter of the basement floors is 350 feet.
If it was square it would be 550 foot sides.
That's stupid I did something wrong.
I didn't take the sq rt of pi
*The basement floors have about a 620 ft diameter.

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Old March 13th, 2011, 09:13 AM   #6531
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The diameter of the basement floors is ~620 feet
The average diameter for the above ground floors is ~200 feet

200 feet across is a big building.
The WFC is even bigger because it fits 4.1 mil in only 101 floors.

Now, by any chance, does the "128 floor" count of ST count the basement floors?
Or is the grand total floor count 133?

This must be absolute value because technically 5 basement floors would cancel 5 above grade floors.
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Old March 13th, 2011, 03:44 PM   #6532
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Does that huge amount of below grade space also constitute the car park beneath the tower? I seem to remember someone saying that the car park at the ST would be really large so that the ugly above ground car park surrounding SWFC would close enabling them to landscape that area.
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Old March 13th, 2011, 04:09 PM   #6533
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nice shot, nice pedestrian bridge, beautiful apple store and very nice city's decoration!!! congratulation shangai
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Old March 13th, 2011, 04:20 PM   #6534
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yeah, that is a beautyful pic.
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Old March 13th, 2011, 04:22 PM   #6535
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nice shot, nice pedestrian bridge, beautiful apple store and very nice city's decoration!!! congratulation shangai
wheres apple store ???

see the paradise... click on the link below
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f8F8Cb5k8j4
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Old March 13th, 2011, 05:18 PM   #6536
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wheres apple store ???

see the paradise... click on the link below
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f8F8Cb5k8j4
Well it's not hard to see the Apple store.. It's in the glass cylinder, you can even see the white apple logo.
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Old March 13th, 2011, 06:10 PM   #6537
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Does that huge amount of below grade space also constitute the car park beneath the tower? I seem to remember someone saying that the car park at the ST would be really large so that the ugly above ground car park surrounding SWFC would close enabling them to landscape that area.
I'm sure it does, that is an extremely large basement area, and there's not much else that could be there.

"Hey where's your office?"
"It's in the Shanghai Tower"
"Oh my God how's your view!? What floor are you on?"
"Floor -3, no view... I must be an 'anchor tenant'."

The only thing that surprises me is how huge it is, but that it doesn't seem that deep. Is that because of the bedrock situation? Is there really limited or essentially no bedrock there so they made it a very large base to compenste? It has about 3x the diameter as the rest of the tower, as I said.

That gives the base an area of over 300,000 sq ft while the tower is only ~31,000 sq ft (per floor)
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Old March 13th, 2011, 11:22 PM   #6538
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Hi all.

Hi Miami.

The info I have shows levels B5 to B3 as carpark.

As for the size I think it's just the design of the structure. DJM is correct - the size of the lower levels are close to the size of the entire site.

Here are the numbers I have.

Tower
Height: 632 meters
Stories: 128 occupied fl oors
Area: 380,000 square meters above grade
170,000 square meters below grade

Podium
Height: 38 meters
Stories: 5 stories high
Area: 44,000 square meters

Here is a quote from the Gensler PDF

Gensler’s vision for Shanghai Tower has taken tangible
form after completion of the immense foundation. Soil
conditions in Shanghai—a clay-based mixture typical of
a river delta—meant supporting the tower on 831 reinforced
concrete bore piles sunk deep into the ground.
For three days, a small army of workers assembled to
complete the marathon, 60-hour continuous
concrete
pour. When the job was finished, more than 61,000
cubic meters of concrete had been used to create the
six-meter-thick mat foundation.

The number of piles posted here long ago was 955 piles - incorrect obviously.

This is one massive project that will be great looking when completed.
The Jin Mao and SWFC both look good and the 3 structures with their very different characteristics will form an excelent troika.


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Old March 14th, 2011, 12:02 AM   #6539
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More than 300 supertall projects on going in China.
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Old March 14th, 2011, 12:47 AM   #6540
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Thanks for the construction update. Today is Sunday, are they working on it seven days a week? I heard they take Sunday off in Japan, at least for the TST.

Here is a quote from gizmodo back in 2008:
A lot of folks over here are saying that no matter how bad the current economic situation might get, the chances of this project losing funding is very slim. Ironically, this is probably due to the Mori Building, whose own construction was halted in its tracks by the Asian Financial Crisis—even if The Shanghai Tower turns out to be a money loser, there's no way the Chinese would've stood for having a Japanese building dominate their soil. [The Design Blog]
http://.gizmodo.com/5100705/632+mete...owards-the-sky

There are some funny comments on there, too. All it would take is an unexpected extra 3/4 of an inch per floor and the ST would be taller than the TST. Sometimes buildings top out higher or lower than expected.

And what city has 20 supertalls?

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