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Old February 19th, 2008, 04:20 PM   #861
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i don't mind the fosters design but its 744m? they said around 580 and the fosters wouldn't look that nice compared to original design but if height don't matter then bring it on shanghai needs a signature tower that people can relate to a city ala eiffel tower
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Old February 19th, 2008, 04:40 PM   #862
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i don't mind the fosters design but its 744m? they said around 580 and the fosters wouldn't look that nice compared to original design but if height don't matter then bring it on shanghai needs a signature tower that people can relate to a city ala eiffel tower
Shanghai already has that: The Jin Mao. Although SWFC has already passed it height-wise, the Jin Mao will continue to be to Shanghai what the Eiffel Tower is to Paris. Although going with the SOM design could change this. According to the universal standard of logic, the only thing that could ever top an SOM tower is--another SOM tower.
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Old February 19th, 2008, 04:50 PM   #863
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Surely the pearl tower is shanghai's eifel??
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Old February 19th, 2008, 09:02 PM   #864
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According to the universal standard of logic, the only thing that could ever top an SOM tower is--another SOM tower.
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Old February 20th, 2008, 02:33 AM   #865
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Yet another tallest skyscraper for Shanghai?


The World Financial Center has barely been completed but our wonderful city has already announced plans for yet another skyscraper that will dwarf it. Two days ago, the all-authoritative Xinhua produly proclaimed that the new building, which is to be named Shanghai Center (we are unsure if this has any relation to the existing Shanghai Center) will be the world's tallest at 580 meters and 118 stories. According to them, that's 72 meters higher than the Taipei 101 Tower, currently the tallest building in Asia at 508 meters and "25 meters higher than the 555-meter-tall Burj Dubai skyscraper, which is still under construction".

555 meters? As far as we understand, the developers behind Burj Dubai are keeping the final height of the building tightly under wraps, because they don't want anyone else to steal their thunder. A more likely answer to the mystery is 807.7m (see picture above from China Daily) which has often been bandied about. At almost 300 meters taller than Taipei 101, that is upping the ante quite a bit, and still they're not leaving anything to chances!

But that doesn't mean China won't spring any surprise to make sure it will maintain bragging rights. As far as we can tell, the officials seem to be just as secretive about their latest project and we have seen too many conflicting reports on both the Chinese and English internet to be sure what's true and what's not. Compare for instance the artist's impression above to the ones below:

The building on the left is supposed to be designed by Chicago-based Skidmore, Owings & Merrill and the one on the right is supposedly by New York-based Kohn Pedersen Fox. Whoever it is, we are assuming the second design lost its bid because nobody is going to trust any architectural firm that can get the relative heights of the Jinmao versus the WFC so, so wrong!

More on Shanghai Center from China Daily

:Taking up 20,300 sq m, the Shanghai Center is expected to house offices, hotels and shopping malls as well as recreational facilities, complementing the two neighboring buildings with more office space for financial institutions and companies as the district sees an increasing inflow of foreign capital.

According to a recent survey on office requirements of foreign firms in Shanghai conducted by Mori Building Co, office quality is becoming increasingly important when financial companies seek expansion. The survey also found that Lujiazui remains the most popular office location in Shanghai.

"Competition over the world's tallest building seems inevitable as the city moves steadfastly to become a world-class financial center," Michiho Kishi, deputy general manager of public relations at Mori Building Co, the real estate developer behind SWFC, told China Daily.
http://shanghaiist.com/2008/02/20/yet_another_wor.php
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Old February 20th, 2008, 05:24 AM   #866
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Al Burj is going up so they better put Shanghai Center on MASSIVE steroids if it is going to be WTB, otherwise they should report responsibly. The guy who reported "555 meters" for Burj Dubai doesn't know his A$$ from a hole in the ground.

BTW before China actually gets WTB, I think the Mile High Building in Jeddah will have a better chance at a go.
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The building on the left is supposed to be designed by Chicago-based Skidmore, Owings & Merrill and the one on the right is supposedly by New York-based Kohn Pedersen Fox. Whoever it is, we are assuming the second design lost its bid because nobody is going to trust any architectural firm that can get the relative heights of the Jinmao versus the WFC so, so wrong!
To me it's the way a render of them from street level should look.
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Old February 20th, 2008, 02:28 PM   #868
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Al Burj is going up so they better put Shanghai Center on MASSIVE steroids if it is going to be WTB, otherwise they should report responsibly. The guy who reported "555 meters" for Burj Dubai doesn't know his A$$ from a hole in the ground.

BTW before China actually gets WTB, I think the Mile High Building in Jeddah will have a better chance at a go.
Thing is, China neither wants or needs a WTB.

Also, the people who are developing Shanghai Center (called developers) are not the ones reporting about Burj Dubai in the newspapers (called journalists).
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Old February 20th, 2008, 04:08 PM   #869
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well said

another proof that china doesnt want to have the tallest building: they would have built SWFC taller than Taipei 101 (just even with a simple spire) and broken the record but they didnt. As you all know there is just a 10 meters difference between SWFC and Taipei 101.

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Old February 20th, 2008, 11:52 PM   #870
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Thing is, China neither wants or needs a WTB.

Also, the people who are developing Shanghai Center (called developers) are not the ones reporting about Burj Dubai in the newspapers (called journalists).
nobody NEEDs a tallest building. I think the reason why Chinese haven't build the tallest building is not because we dont want the title, but we understand that no matter how tall U could build, 8yrs later, somebody's gonna eventually surpass U, so why bother?
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Old February 21st, 2008, 12:26 AM   #871
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Basically it comes down to the fact that China doesn't really have to prove itself to the outside world (which it moreso had in the 90s, obviously). A city like Dubai is building the worlds tallest buildings because of this fact (and the US did in the beginning of the 1900s).
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Old February 21st, 2008, 01:02 AM   #872
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China wont build many towers above 500m in the coming years I think. They are not very profitable. Multiple tower projects are more suitable for China since office space is still cheap and so is the land.

Since China's main developers are becoming extremely rich now they are releasing more and more monster projects, but instead of going taller they tend to launch multi tower developments with 2, 3 or even 4 supertalls. This is the coming pattern, I'm sure we will see many developments consisting in many biggies especially in second tier cities, where clearing a huge area is far easier and cheaper.


On the other hand, Shanghai's only major CBD has run out of plots. Z3-2 plot is the last one (the rest of remaining plots have a concrete project assigned arleady). And there are just a couple of plots left in Nanjing Xi Lu, likely to host 200-250m towers. Then what? They want to expand Lujiazui eastwards, but we wont see the first finished project there before 2015. They want to build a second large CBD in Pujiang, next to World Expo area, but it is a long term plan with few chances. Even the projects located on the former shipyard in north-east Lujiazui and Beiwaitan redevelopment aren't likely to host a huge supply of new offices.

That's why I think that Shanghai is the most suitable city in China for a monstertall now. I wonder what will happen in the coming years anyway. Maybe they'll build tens of projects above 200m scattered around the city. Who knows.
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Old February 21st, 2008, 05:49 AM   #873
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I was hoping someone actually builds a "city in the clouds." Well fog at least. But you would have to have a lot a supertalls to do that. I love those shots where you see the Jin Mao and the Pearl TV tower above the "clouds." It would be a great tourist attraction since a lot of these supertalls seem to have hotels on their higher levels.
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Old February 21st, 2008, 06:37 AM   #874
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so glad that chart up there included Chicago Spire and Freedom Tower
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Old February 21st, 2008, 09:33 AM   #875
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Shanghai Center-Korean News-2008.2.18

580m high-rise buildings built in Shanghai, China

Plan to be completed in 2010



China is building a skyscraper in Shanghai, building height of 580m. Taiwan's 101-story building in the world choegocheung international financial centre and a height of 508m. However, in 2009, the height of 800m Burj Dubai World 2 Back when the building was completed milrige.

China dongbangjobo (东方早报), the financial center of Shanghai on January 17 rujajuyi areas, the height of 580m (陆家嘴) 'Shanghai Center,' he seems to be built is reported. The scale of 5.4 billion yuan of capital for the venture company established in the Shanghai Center Building Construction and Development Co., Ltd. and registered to do Tuesday.

Center's groundbreaking ceremony in Shanghai this year, the source said, and said to go into full-scale construction. However, over 10 seolgyean issue had not yet concluded. These are government authorities and verification of the steps seolgyean over 492m in height, but said that the Shanghai World Financial Center, rather than higher, he said.

Shanghai will be the financial centre skyscraper forest

2010 was the year when the construction of the Shanghai Center jungongdoel said. When the center is completed in Shanghai, the financial hub of Shanghai's skyscraper forest. Shanghai Center is a building height of 421m in jinmaoh (金茂) and the 492m in height, and the World Financial Center in Shanghai, the city with arms (品) creates characters become one of the three pillars
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interesting. the article says shanghai center will be completed in 2010. Will 2 years be enough for a 580 meters skyscraper? dont think so
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Old February 21st, 2008, 04:17 PM   #877
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It is not impossible, but I really don't think there is some reason for such haste...
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China wont build many towers above 500m in the coming years I think. They are not very profitable. Multiple tower projects are more suitable for China since office space is still cheap and so is the land.

Since China's main developers are becoming extremely rich now they are releasing more and more monster projects, but instead of going taller they tend to launch multi tower developments with 2, 3 or even 4 supertalls. This is the coming pattern, I'm sure we will see many developments consisting in many biggies especially in second tier cities, where clearing a huge area is far easier and cheaper.


On the other hand, Shanghai's only major CBD has run out of plots. Z3-2 plot is the last one (the rest of remaining plots have a concrete project assigned arleady). And there are just a couple of plots left in Nanjing Xi Lu, likely to host 200-250m towers. Then what? They want to expand Lujiazui eastwards, but we wont see the first finished project there before 2015. They want to build a second large CBD in Pujiang, next to World Expo area, but it is a long term plan with few chances. Even the projects located on the former shipyard in north-east Lujiazui and Beiwaitan redevelopment aren't likely to host a huge supply of new offices.

That's why I think that Shanghai is the most suitable city in China for a monstertall now. I wonder what will happen in the coming years anyway. Maybe they'll build tens of projects above 200m scattered around the city. Who knows.
And what`s with Chongqing?
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It is not impossible, but I really don't think there is some reason for such haste...
should be very difficult to complete the tower until 2010 IMO
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Old February 21st, 2008, 08:55 PM   #880
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this is great that this is really going up!

congrats to shanghai!!!

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