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Old October 8th, 2011, 01:04 AM   #8801
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Lujiazui is easy an two metro stops from People's Square, its also very close to "eight hundred half"
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Old October 8th, 2011, 01:28 AM   #8802
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Lujiazui is easy an two metro stops from People's Square, its also very close to "eight hundred half"
Yeah but the prospect of risking your life on the line 2 is supposed to put an end of any idea of having fun. Also buses bypass the 'eight hundred half' in the diveunder, so that's not that easy either.
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Old October 8th, 2011, 08:19 AM   #8803
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Old October 8th, 2011, 12:42 PM   #8804
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thats how it should be... cbd doesn't stand for central living/entertainment district.
Yet it IS a living district.

While Shanghai Tower itself is a hotel - and so are the other two towers - there are homes in Lujiazui.

Like Tomson Riviera. The flats there are for sale, not rent.

If you live in Tomson Riviera for your home... where would you walk to go shopping? Where are the nearest playgrounds? And where will your child walk for the public primary school covering the area? For public secondary schools?
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Old October 8th, 2011, 02:20 PM   #8805
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How big is the site footprint compared to Jin Mao and the SWFC?

I'd be interested to see an overhead diagram comparing all three.
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Old October 8th, 2011, 02:32 PM   #8806
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Yet it IS a living district.

While Shanghai Tower itself is a hotel - and so are the other two towers - there are homes in Lujiazui.

Like Tomson Riviera. The flats there are for sale, not rent.

If you live in Tomson Riviera for your home... where would you walk to go shopping? Where are the nearest playgrounds? And where will your child walk for the public primary school covering the area? For public secondary schools?
I don't think the insanely rich people living in Tomson Riviera (IIRC the most expensive flats in all of Shanghai, if not all of China) will be sending their kids to public school somehow.

As for shopping, Super Brand Mall (which has a Lotus supermarket in the basement) is literally only a block away. And for play there's Lujiazui Central Green, also just a block away.
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Old October 8th, 2011, 04:56 PM   #8807
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Another Great addition to the next financial hub, Shanghai. Will this be built also in "pudong" (I don't know if I said it right)?

I love to visit this city next year, Congratulations PRC!

We will expect more Supertall on the future.

The planned city of Shaghai really is the Paris of the east.

When will this be finished?
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Old October 8th, 2011, 11:51 PM   #8808
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How big is the site footprint compared to Jin Mao and the SWFC?

I'd be interested to see an overhead diagram comparing all three.
Here's a google map link to the location, hope it helps to gives an idea.

http://maps.google.com/maps?q=shangh...China&t=k&z=17
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Old October 9th, 2011, 12:42 AM   #8809
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thats how it should be... cbd doesn't stand for central living/entertainment district.
Yes it does, check out Central, Hong Kong.
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Old October 9th, 2011, 01:20 AM   #8810
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Here's a google map link to the location, hope it helps to gives an idea.

http://maps.google.com/maps?q=shangh...China&t=k&z=17
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Old October 9th, 2011, 04:43 AM   #8811
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Another Great addition to the next financial hub, Shanghai. Will this be built also in "pudong" (I don't know if I said it right)?

I love to visit this city next year, Congratulations PRC!

We will expect more Supertall on the future.

The planned city of Shaghai really is the Paris of the east.

When will this be finished?
No where near Paris bud. I'd give Beijing that status long before even thinking about Shanghai. Shanghai's overall growth may be planned but it is extremely organic in nature.
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Old October 9th, 2011, 04:57 AM   #8812
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No where near Paris bud. I'd give Beijing that status long before even thinking about Shanghai. Shanghai's overall growth may be planned but it is extremely organic in nature.
Well Beijing is not that iconic of a skyline and it doesn't even have a waterway. I think Beijing is the political capital like DC, not the head of the dragon like what chairman Mao said, which is Shanghai, and honestly, the pearl tower is so iconic it's like the Eiffel tower that whenever you see it you instantly think of shanghai just as Eiffel symbolizes Paris. IMO yeap, just an IMO.
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Old October 9th, 2011, 06:19 AM   #8813
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I hate to continue the fight about Lujiazui and Pudong, but i can't help myself. Pudong is a planning nightmare, absolutely pathetic for a world class city. Its planned right out of the athens charter, Le Corbuiser and Soviet engineers would be proud, Pu dong is verging on American walkability, wide streets, buildings that are raised off the grond, insular shopping malls/areas, useless greenspace. etc. Shameful for a city that wants to one day compete with HK, Tokyo, NY, and London.
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Old October 9th, 2011, 07:35 AM   #8814
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Over engineered, cost effective? Carbon footprint???
I don't think you would really want to know what the carbon footprint is to construct any modern skyscraper. Mining ore and making steel takes a lot of fossil fuel.
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Old October 9th, 2011, 07:38 AM   #8815
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I hate to continue the fight about Lujiazui and Pudong, but i can't help myself. Pudong is a planning nightmare, absolutely pathetic for a world class city. Its planned right out of the athens charter, Le Corbuiser and Soviet engineers would be proud, Pu dong is verging on American walkability, wide streets, buildings that are raised off the grond, insular shopping malls/areas, useless greenspace. etc. Shameful for a city that wants to one day compete with HK, Tokyo, NY, and London.
Hyperbole much?

Pudong is over 1000 square kilometres, most of which is nothing like Lujiazui, which is only about 15 square kilometres. A lot of Pudong is perfectly walkable and vibrant.

As far as Lujiazui goes, ever since they've completed the elevated walkways and the reconstruction of Century Avenue it's much more walkable than it used to be. And Lujiazui Central Green is a beautiful little park, not a 'useless greenspace'. It'll never be the same as Puxi, but so what? It's no worse to my mind than Canary Wharf in London.
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Old October 9th, 2011, 07:38 AM   #8816
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Well Beijing is not that iconic of a skyline and it doesn't even have a waterway. I think Beijing is the political capital like DC, not the head of the dragon like what chairman Mao said, which is Shanghai...
Yes. Beijing is to Washington D.C. as Shanghai is to New York City.
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Old October 9th, 2011, 09:16 AM   #8818
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Old October 9th, 2011, 10:51 AM   #8819
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Hyperbole much?

Pudong is over 1000 square kilometres, most of which is nothing like Lujiazui, which is only about 15 square kilometres. A lot of Pudong is perfectly walkable and vibrant.

As far as Lujiazui goes, ever since they've completed the elevated walkways and the reconstruction of Century Avenue it's much more walkable than it used to be. And Lujiazui Central Green is a beautiful little park, not a 'useless greenspace'. It'll never be the same as Puxi, but so what? It's no worse to my mind than Canary Wharf in London.
Well I have never been to Canary wharf. What I mean by wasted greenspace is not the park in Lujiazui, but the planters lining the streets. Trees lining the streets is beautiful, but wide roads with little patches of grass and shrubs is a complete waste of green space and kills the walkability of the area and ruins the curb appeal of shops on the street. Oh wait, nevermind,in Lujiazui there arent any shops on the street
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Old October 9th, 2011, 12:29 PM   #8820
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Pu dong is verging on American walkability, wide streets, buildings that are raised off the grond, insular shopping malls/areas, useless greenspace. etc. Shameful for a city that wants to one day compete with HK, Tokyo, NY, and London.
Haha, American walkability, that's a great comparison. I agree with this, it needs to be more dense! It shouldn't be too car orientated with hard to cross massive wide roads, and of course you can't compare with HK, but it should still be more lively and walkable. But I still love Shanghai

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Well I have never been to Canary wharf. What I mean by wasted greenspace is not the park in Lujiazui, but the planters lining the streets. Trees lining the streets is beautiful, but wide roads with little patches of grass and shrubs is a complete waste of green space and kills the walkability of the area and ruins the curb appeal of shops on the street. Oh wait, nevermind,in Lujiazui there arent any shops on the street
I agree with this as well - bits of flower patches or neatly trimmed bushes lining the wide roads I'm not a fan of. It seems a bit 'artificial' and too much like other 'modern' cities around the globe. I guess this is a side-effect of globalisation but I think if Chinese cities developed in it's own style more thouroughly, it would surely be great considering how great Chinese inventions, culture etc... is.

And haha nice joke about Lujiazui's shops

Amazing tower still!!
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