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Old February 22nd, 2008, 05:11 AM   #881
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Maybe they'll build tens of projects above 200m scattered around the city. Who knows.
That would actually be very good. Or better yet, just 200m clustered in one huge square mile. I think Shanghai's done using shallow construction to prove itself and is looking to have a more solid spot on the world stage, namely reclaiming its title as Asia's financial center from Hong Kong (something that also needs the central government's gradual liberalizing the financial market). 580m is a good height because it keeps harmonizes the supertall cluster well. A 800+ building would just look tacky and out-of-place and the last thing Shanghai needs is to compromise aesthetics for titles
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Old February 22nd, 2008, 07:20 AM   #882
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580m is a perfect height or around that mark and shanghai will be spectacularly a skyscraper jungle especially when the time comes to knock down the commie blocks near the financial district and in the middle you have three goliaths that would be a spectacular sight just hope they think this through and decide what looks the best, futuristic design, large office space, keeps in sync with surrounding area then shanghai hopefully be no1
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Old February 22nd, 2008, 06:52 PM   #883
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It is not impossible, but I really don't think there is some reason for such haste...
2010 is the year of the shanghai world expo. a huge deal for the city...



it's something for the chinese press to worry about following the vacuum that will be left in the wake of the olympics later this year.
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Old February 23rd, 2008, 08:54 AM   #884
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no matter what china will develop and with asian games in guangzhou and expo both in 2010 it has step up speed on construction but i really doubt they could build 580m in 2010 its just too short a time frame maybe 2011 the earliest
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Old February 24th, 2008, 03:30 AM   #885
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lol, lujiazui stock has been rise 15% in last three days for shanghai center.
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Old February 24th, 2008, 03:42 AM   #886
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2010 is the year of the shanghai world expo. a huge deal for the city...



it's something for the chinese press to worry about following the vacuum that will be left in the wake of the olympics later this year.

usually it becomes extremely uneconomic, to build beyond a certain speed.
But if economic aspects dont count, I think it can be possible.

Remember that the Empire State Building in New York was built in 1 Year and 45 days. And that was back in 1931
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Old February 24th, 2008, 04:04 AM   #887
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Remember that the Empire State Building in New York was built in 1 Year and 45 days. And that was back in 1931
Good that you added it was in 1931. Different technologies, different building methods and different needs of space/comfort/security make the buildings nowadays more complex and slower to build... There already was a discussion about this...

I hope the Shanghai Center will be around ~580m, will have good design and will be built until 2015. I am not planning to visit Shanghai anytime soon and there is still a lot of construction going on nowadays to watch...
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Old February 24th, 2008, 07:48 PM   #888
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^Stereotype much?

I really want the proposal by SOM to win. IMO that tower is perfect and very classy. It would be an amazing fit with Shanghai!
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Old February 24th, 2008, 08:04 PM   #889
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theres a 80 to 90% chance there going to pick SOM design
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Old February 24th, 2008, 08:18 PM   #890
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theres a 80 to 90% chance there going to pick SOM design
You say this based on your guess? Or what source?
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Old February 24th, 2008, 08:30 PM   #891
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on my guess. and also reading articles that have been posted
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Old February 25th, 2008, 06:56 PM   #892
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Today the second biggest Italian newspaper, Corriere della Sera, gives the SOM project as approved. As it's well known in Italy though, even major national papers are often little trustworthy and/or competent. In fact, in this feature it is even claimed that "the 580 meters-tall tower will be the TALLEST in the world".
http://www.corriere.it/cronache/08_f...ba99c667.shtml
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Old February 25th, 2008, 07:07 PM   #893
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OMG!! the thread says prep!

YAY!! it's going to be the tallest building in Shanghai!
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Old February 25th, 2008, 07:34 PM   #894
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I can't read Italian but looks like the same article as in those chinese newspaper some days ago...
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Old March 4th, 2008, 10:36 PM   #895
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While I love the SOM design more, I think the Kohn Pedersen Fox design would gel better with the skyline.
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Old March 5th, 2008, 03:21 AM   #896
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i was in a SOM skyscraper on saturday. went to the top. it is only 164 metres though. very impressed with the design indeed, it is not your standard tower. also the engineering is clearly highly advanced and unconventional. broadgate tower, london.

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Old March 5th, 2008, 08:48 AM   #897
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Corriere della Sera

The tower that has real motivation for China
Major works at record pace. The latest in Shanghai, a skyscraper of 580 metres


BEIJING - Two Surveys. The first: China how long does it take to build 8300 km of motorways or 15 thousand kilometers of railways which 7 thousand high speed? The second: China and how long does it take to build the last suameraviglia of architecture and engineering, a skyscraper that is shaped like a spear and gets up to the beauty of 580 meters?

We see the answer: for 8300 kilometres of motorways, equal to seven and a half times the Italy, no more than twelve months (it is the plan of 2008 which will lead to 60 thousand the total highway mileage); for rail and high speed three years. For the tower, "the spear" of Shanghai, it is necessary instead to wait two, given the announcement a few days ago to cut the ribbon and toast. Record for buildings classified as "extreme" for the shapes and sizes.

In 2010, on the eve of Expo Universal, will be ready a citadel vertical host twelve thousand managers, white-collar tourists. Centodiciotto plans for offices, banks, shops, hotels, which will change even more the profile of urban "Pearl of the Orient". The race for innovation did not end: ideas, creativity and investment are a fantastic recipe. With an apostille we must add: what happens is possible because those who govern the city and the territory has the discretion to order thousands of families to leave their old homes in order to make room for icons of development, prosperity, modernity. The other side of the coin, forced removals, which must not be silenced when talking about this enormous project that has become the China of today.

THE CHINESE MANHATTAN - The mutation more showy, and last in order of date, occurs in the Pudong, Shanghai Manhattan, which in the early nineties was a huge area of fields and marshes: The draft of the new skyscraper was signed by the study SOM (Skidmore, Owings & Merril) in Chicago and is funded by three Chinese companies, two state and municipal, consecrated by the comunist party.I yards are open. From words to deeds. So it works here when there is a half of great work by designing and implementing it is a building or a bridge that is: the way, for the bridge Hanghzhou that, once concluded, will be the longest in the world its 36 km are required only five years, starting from 2003, between proposal and use.

THE WORKS - Or that is, perhaps, a web of roads: the most remote rural districts will be asphalted or riasfaltati with 270 thousand kilometers of small and medium arteries by the end of this year. Or, finally, it is the network of railways (January to December will be laid 7,820 km of track) or underground (in Shanghai in 2002 will sfilavano 63 kilometres, have become 234 in 2007). The China runs and the numbers speak for themselves. The reasons for this are many speed (need for infrastructure, pride, production of wealth) and, in the case of "Shanghai Center, the skyscraper of 580 metres, has a political colouring, but implied unreported. The China has cultivated the dream of overcoming Taiwan and restore hierarchies: we are the motherland. So it is not imaginable admire the other side of the Strait, Taipei, the "101", a building of 508 metres stretching the shadow of the 101 plans that hosts (hence its name).

THE PRIMATO - The primacy of the Dragon will be re-established. The "Shanghai Center, for which no one knows the costs rise alongside two brothers: Jin Mao (401 metres) and the World Financial Center (492 meters). It started in 2004 is being completed, the baptism in the spring. Three skyscrapers, a kilometre and 400 meters in height, where fifteen years ago cultivated rice. No wonder. Last riddle: how many roads built in the three decades China? Answer: three million and 570 thousand kilometers. Approximately 2,970 times Italy. What can be then 580 meters of a 'spear'?
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Old March 5th, 2008, 09:06 AM   #898
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does that mean that this is the confirmed design of shanghai centre the SOM?

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Old March 5th, 2008, 10:47 AM   #899
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As long as you trust the source... I rather believe in what a random forumer at skyscrapers.cn says before trusting a non Chinese newspaper which doesn't even quote any source but the well known literature about what's going on in China. They don't know anything about this project but the info they got googling for 5 minutes.
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Old March 5th, 2008, 10:50 AM   #900
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Is it just me or does it always look like that tower design is leaning away from you? It looks like it's bending over backwards and about to fall over.
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