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Old November 27th, 2011, 10:38 AM   #9201
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I would go crazy if my city would have such "little" activity, lol.
In the Chinese context, Shanghai has a skyscraper activity of a second or even third tier city. Maybe not heightwise since the Shanghai Tower is one of the tallest projects on going, but what else? White Magnolia (319m) and just 5-8x200m+ midrises (yes, midrises, in China anything shorter than 250m is totally irrelevant nowadays). Come on, some cities such as Tianjin or Shenzhen have more than 50x200-600m towers on going.

Hopefully, now that Lujiazui has run out of plots, they'll launch a new monster CBD area with tons of interesting projects. Beijing did that, it had no interesting stuff back in 2009 once WTC3 and CCTV were done, and now it has countless projects in the pipeline.
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Old November 27th, 2011, 10:54 AM   #9202
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Shanghai should launch some large office area asap. There's a huge demand, and the vacancy rate collapses when they don't launch enough new projcets. Given the huge demand all around China, they need to keep the vacancy rate stable around 10-15%. A vacancy rate below 5% means shortage. Shanghai vacancy rate bottomed to around 3% in 2007, and the prices were crazy for a few quarters. Now it's falling quickly again since they are completing very few projects.

http://dsg.colliers.com/document.aspx?report=1879.pdf

Same problem in Beijing, where vacancy rate is just 5% now, and falling.
http://dsg.colliers.com/document.aspx?report=1544.pdf

Due to the huge demand, the time gap till the current vacant area is absorbed is very short, even in cities where the vacancy rate is around 25% the market takes less than 5 years to take up the whole current supply. That's why China needs high vacancy rates and keep building skyscrapers like crazy.
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Old November 27th, 2011, 12:01 PM   #9203
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Hopefully, now that Lujiazui has run out of plots, they'll launch a new monster CBD area with tons of interesting projects. Beijing did that, it had no interesting stuff back in 2009 once WTC3 and CCTV were done, and now it has countless projects in the pipeline.
hmmm, I reckon it'll be better if instead, they continue their highrises/skyscrapers in Lujiazui, and somehow fit it in so the buildings are packed more densely, creating an even more impressive Pudong skyline.
I think the plots are a bit too large and far apart, decreasing density and vibrancy.

If they do build another CBD, I hope it's close by Lujiazui and visible from the Bund.
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Old November 27th, 2011, 12:40 PM   #9204
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What is the direction of Hongqiao runways, and where do the approach paths go?

Would it make sense to start building towers next to Hongqiao railport, but to the side of the runways?
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Old November 27th, 2011, 01:02 PM   #9205
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Old November 27th, 2011, 01:22 PM   #9206
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Old November 27th, 2011, 01:26 PM   #9207
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What is the direction of Hongqiao runways, and where do the approach paths go?

Would it make sense to start building towers next to Hongqiao railport, but to the side of the runways?
today i was driving at hongqiao ,the cross road is too complex, i almost lost direction.then i drive on Yan'an elevated expressway, my god, like driving in a highrises forest,18KM endless skyscrapers!!!
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Old November 27th, 2011, 01:30 PM   #9208
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Shanghai should launch some large office area asap. There's a huge demand, and the vacancy rate collapses when they don't launch enough new projcets. Given the huge demand all around China, they need to keep the vacancy rate stable around 10-15%. A vacancy rate below 5% means shortage. Shanghai vacancy rate bottomed to around 3% in 2007, and the prices were crazy for a few quarters. Now it's falling quickly again since they are completing very few projects.

http://dsg.colliers.com/document.aspx?report=1879.pdf

Same problem in Beijing, where vacancy rate is just 5% now, and falling.
http://dsg.colliers.com/document.aspx?report=1544.pdf

Due to the huge demand, the time gap till the current vacant area is absorbed is very short, even in cities where the vacancy rate is around 25% the market takes less than 5 years to take up the whole current supply. That's why China needs high vacancy rates and keep building skyscrapers like crazy.
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Old November 27th, 2011, 02:52 PM   #9209
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Yes expand Lujiazui eastwards or build some 300-400m supertalls where Lujiazui park currently is!
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Old November 27th, 2011, 03:02 PM   #9210
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Lujiazui Park is an excellent location for a new world's tallest.
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Old November 27th, 2011, 03:53 PM   #9211
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They should at least expand the highrises to Century Park and demolish those small residentials buildings along Century Avenue.
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Old November 27th, 2011, 06:38 PM   #9212
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Old November 27th, 2011, 07:24 PM   #9213
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Shanghai should launch some large office area asap. There's a huge demand, and the vacancy rate collapses when they don't launch enough new projcets. Given the huge demand all around China, they need to keep the vacancy rate stable around 10-15%. A vacancy rate below 5% means shortage. Shanghai vacancy rate bottomed to around 3% in 2007, and the prices were crazy for a few quarters. Now it's falling quickly again since they are completing very few projects.

http://dsg.colliers.com/document.aspx?report=1879.pdf

Same problem in Beijing, where vacancy rate is just 5% now, and falling.
http://dsg.colliers.com/document.aspx?report=1544.pdf

Due to the huge demand, the time gap till the current vacant area is absorbed is very short, even in cities where the vacancy rate is around 25% the market takes less than 5 years to take up the whole current supply. That's why China needs high vacancy rates and keep building skyscrapers like crazy.
From what I've heard, the skyscrapers in Lujiazui are 90% empty. People say that the skyscrapers are built by the government to show off their fake economy. According to them the government wants to give an impression of having many tertiary workers, but the truth is that 90% of population of China are peasants in the countryside living in misery.
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Old November 27th, 2011, 07:28 PM   #9214
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From what I've heard, the skyscrapers in Lujiazui are 90% empty
Source?

A 2010 Q1 (old) report:

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The vacancy rates of
Grade ‘A’ office market in Lujiazui edged down to 8.3%, the
lowest since 3Q 2008. The overall vacancy rates in Puxi fell
down sharply to 10.6% with People’s Square and Huaihai Road
recording the lowest figures at 8.6% and 8% respectively. Market
buoyancy in Puxi is expected to continue to lower the vacancy
rates until Wheelock Square and Henderson 155 come onto
market in mid 2010.
Not quite 90%.
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Old November 27th, 2011, 07:29 PM   #9215
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From what I've heard, the skyscrapers in Lujiazui are 90% empty. People say that the skyscrapers are built by the government to show off their fake economy. According to them the government wants to give an impression of having many tertiary workers, but the truth is that 90% of population of China are peasants in the countryside living in misery.
This is the funniest comment I read all day
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Old November 27th, 2011, 08:11 PM   #9216
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A 2010 Q1 (old) report:

From http://www.cushwake.com/cwmbs1q10/PD...i_off_1q10.pdf


Not quite 90%.

Your source is useless, those China-bashers will say the report is fabricated
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Old November 27th, 2011, 08:15 PM   #9217
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Your source is useless, those China-bashers will say the report is fabricated
I think I got it. They just create fake purchases and rental contracts so that it looks like the vacany rate is as low as 5% while in reality it's something like 100%... wait no, 200%!!!!!1111
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Old November 27th, 2011, 11:19 PM   #9218
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From what I've heard, the skyscrapers in Lujiazui are 90% empty. People say that the skyscrapers are built by the government to show off their fake economy. According to them the government wants to give an impression of having many tertiary workers, but the truth is that 90% of population of China are peasants in the countryside living in misery.
I guess you've never been to Shanghai...
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Old November 28th, 2011, 12:34 AM   #9219
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From what I've heard, the skyscrapers in Lujiazui are 90% empty. People say that the skyscrapers are built by the government to show off their fake economy. According to them the government wants to give an impression of having many tertiary workers, but the truth is that 90% of population of China are peasants in the countryside living in misery.
Not true. The skyscrapers are full of actors which are paid to pretend they are businessmen. But they'll never tell you that because their families may be executed.
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Old November 28th, 2011, 12:50 AM   #9220
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...and if they forget to turn on the lights in their offices after dark, their families may be executed as well.
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