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Old January 16th, 2012, 04:21 PM   #9761
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Come on gents, back on topic please. The poster of posts 9742, 9743 reported along with posts 9767/68 for carrying on the BS.
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Old January 16th, 2012, 04:25 PM   #9762
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In that case HK is also just a piece of fancy skyscrapers. Your attitude is very old fashion, people like you are living in the old age and cannot accept or understand the growing importance of Shanghai.
Yes, HK is also a piece of fancy skyscrapers. But compared to SH it has more to offer, read Langur' post:

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Old January 16th, 2012, 05:34 PM   #9763
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Took these pics today.












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Old January 16th, 2012, 05:43 PM   #9764
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Many thx Nordschleife . it's not even half way up and no cladding yet but it looks very impressive already
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Old January 16th, 2012, 06:47 PM   #9765
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Very nice photos keep em going Nord will be interesting to see how cladding improve
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Old January 16th, 2012, 08:50 PM   #9766
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380.000 sqm or 517.000 sqm is both actually not a lot for such a tall tower. BK tower as well. It's all about the height.
The Abraj Tower Complex is at 1.500.000 sqm, but that thing is a freaking mountain
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Old January 16th, 2012, 08:53 PM   #9767
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This building when complete Might not be as tall as burj khalifa in dubai but i think it will make a bigger impact and look better
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Old January 16th, 2012, 09:01 PM   #9768
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The Abraj Tower Complex is at 1.500.000 sqm, but that thing is a freaking mountain
yeh, but would be interesting to know how much sqm just the main tower has
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Old January 16th, 2012, 10:40 PM   #9769
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Off topic; but I see piling machines next to SWFC where that car park was. Anyone have any ideas?
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Old January 16th, 2012, 10:57 PM   #9770
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I really doubt anyone was saying that in a few years Shanghai would overtake Hong Kong in 1990 or 1995

Back in those days China's transport and other infrastructure was rather miserable. You can't have a financial center without having infrastructure. Now Shanghai has it and is well connected to the rest of China as well as the world. So 10 years is perhaps the most we can give. Probably less than that.
you dont seem to understand why hong kong is as powerful as it is. it is considerably more powerful than shanghai because it is more appealing to international bussiness and fincance, and that is because it operates under a low-regulation, capitalist-centered economy and political system. until shanghai develops such a system, it will never catch hong kong.
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Old January 16th, 2012, 11:17 PM   #9771
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you dont seem to understand why hong kong is as powerful as it is. it is considerably more powerful than shanghai because it is more appealing to international bussiness and fincance, and that is because it operates under a low-regulation, capitalist-centered economy and political system. until shanghai develops such a system, it will never catch hong kong.
Agree, China is a socialist country.
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Old January 16th, 2012, 11:25 PM   #9772
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Wow, Nord, your pics are ****** epic! Just wow!
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Old January 17th, 2012, 01:22 AM   #9773
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Old January 17th, 2012, 01:23 AM   #9774
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you dont seem to understand why hong kong is as powerful as it is. it is considerably more powerful than shanghai because it is more appealing to international bussiness and fincance, and that is because it operates under a low-regulation, capitalist-centered economy and political system. until shanghai develops such a system, it will never catch hong kong.
The reason is rather that Hong Kong has had a 100 year head-start on Shanghai. And the Chinese government has no interest in 'beating' Hong Kong just for the heck of it, as what is good for HK is good for China.

Singapore is operated under a similar system as PRC (which is indeed capitalist as well-- don't be fooled by the nominal 'Communist Party' denomination), yet it is a business- and financial hub of massive proportions despite its fairly small size.
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Old January 17th, 2012, 02:05 AM   #9775
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The reason is rather that Hong Kong has had a 100 year head-start on Shanghai. And the Chinese government has no interest in 'beating' Hong Kong just for the heck of it, as what is good for HK is good for China.

Singapore is operated under a similar system as PRC (which is indeed capitalist as well-- don't be fooled by the nominal 'Communist Party' denomination), yet it is a business- and financial hub of massive proportions despite its fairly small size.
comparing singapore to the prc is like comparing a gorilla to a whale. come back when you have a reasonable argument.
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Old January 17th, 2012, 03:22 AM   #9776
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The truss belt is complex as hell, kudos to the workers still building it when the New Year is fast approaching.
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Old January 17th, 2012, 03:24 AM   #9777
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Off topic; but I see piling machines next to SWFC where that car park was. Anyone have any ideas?
You talking about the first pic in #9782? I see those orange colored things too, but when I was there last month I didn't see anything major going on, maybe they are building a platform for some event, it happens quite often over there.
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Old January 17th, 2012, 04:24 AM   #9778
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I noticed that too when i was in Shanghai. The land next to Jinmao looks also being redeveloped.

Another thing i noticed, they are digging a huge foundation for some structure (probably a building by the size of it) near the river, in front of Citi Bank and Aurora tower.
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Old January 17th, 2012, 06:31 AM   #9779
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That's great if they would build something next to the SWFC and the Jin Mao, both plots are really useless, to much open space in Luijzahui.

Also saw that they are working on a foundation right in front of the Aurora tower and super brand mall. But no idea what they are planning, maybe just a parking garage. Restaurants in the Super Brand Mall will not be happy if some building is going to block their view.
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Old January 17th, 2012, 06:49 AM   #9780
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Shanghainese people definitely have a more international foreign-thinking than, let's say, their korean and japanese neighbours in Seoul and Tokyo. Even though they cannot speak for the whole of China, you people seem to criticize Shanghai itself as not being “international enough”. I still don’t understand where you get these strange opinions from, maybe its just a lot of tragic prejudices. I suggest you watch this video and get yourself updated about what’s going on in this city.

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Haha, that's already where it starts, China blocks youtube, so can't see the video the normal way.

If you want to internationalize you have to open up, like the freedom of speech. I see it everyday here, most Chinese (including Shanghainese) have no clue how the rest of the world works (which might be due to the government). I don't care, but if you want to be an international (finance) centre, you need to know more about the world.
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