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Old February 13th, 2012, 05:49 PM   #9961
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i like how they planned to build the big 3 close to each other to represent china's rebirth from the past (jin mao), present (SWFC), and future (Shanghai tower), but unfortunately when the render showed the big 3 with shanghai tower in the middle, SWFC isn't facing the front so we can't see the square hole thingy.
Since shanghai tower is being categorized in "megatall" (600m at least), how come it only have 129 floor? while its at least 140m higher than the 101 floor SWFC? it's even comparable to the HK's 118 floor international commerce centre.. 484m building with 118 floor, and 632m building only has more 14 floor? considering they both had a flat roof & didn't have a spire to be measured
is it because of the wind turbine? or they didn't count the truss belt?
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Old February 13th, 2012, 06:12 PM   #9962
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i like how they planned to build the big 3 close to each other to represent china's rebirth from the past (jin mao), present (SWFC), and future (Shanghai tower), but unfortunately when the render showed the big 3 with shanghai tower in the middle, SWFC isn't facing the front so we can't see the square hole thingy.
Since shanghai tower is being categorized in "megatall" (600m at least), how come it only have 129 floor? while its at least 140m higher than the 101 floor SWFC? it's even comparable to the HK's 118 floor international commerce centre.. 484m building with 118 floor, and 632m building only has more 14 floor? considering they both had a flat roof & didn't have a spire to be measured
is it because of the wind turbine? or they didn't count the truss belt?
Larger floors, and a big crown on top.

I feel like this building has been stand still for the past month, and Chinese new year is well over, what gives?
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Old February 13th, 2012, 06:15 PM   #9963
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i like how they planned to build the big 3 close to each other to represent china's rebirth from the past (jin mao), present (SWFC), and future (Shanghai tower), but unfortunately when the render showed the big 3 with shanghai tower in the middle, SWFC isn't facing the front so we can't see the square hole thingy.
Since shanghai tower is being categorized in "megatall" (600m at least), how come it only have 129 floor? while its at least 140m higher than the 101 floor SWFC? it's even comparable to the HK's 118 floor international commerce centre.. 484m building with 118 floor, and 632m building only has more 14 floor? considering they both had a flat roof & didn't have a spire to be measured
is it because of the wind turbine? or they didn't count the truss belt?
Taller individual floors perhaps?
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Old February 13th, 2012, 08:24 PM   #9964
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You can now see it in the skyline which is a great sign.
Cant wait to see it completed. It will look great.
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Old February 13th, 2012, 08:25 PM   #9965
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it's been visible on the skyline for quite some time though. I was hoping it would be taller by now.
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Old February 13th, 2012, 08:43 PM   #9966
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In that photo it kinda looks like a fondue pot.
Lol they should turn the rainwater collector into a chocolate fountain
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Old February 13th, 2012, 09:06 PM   #9967
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it's been visible on the skyline for quite some time though. I was hoping it would be taller by now.
Yes but it is getting there. It will rise soon.
I cant wait until it overtakes SWFC.
That will be some sight to see.
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Old February 13th, 2012, 11:23 PM   #9968
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Indeed, it's magnificent.
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Old February 14th, 2012, 09:01 AM   #9969
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Old February 14th, 2012, 12:38 PM   #9970
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i like how they planned to build the big 3 close to each other to represent china's rebirth from the past (jin mao), present (SWFC), and future (Shanghai tower), but unfortunately when the render showed the big 3 with shanghai tower in the middle, SWFC isn't facing the front so we can't see the square hole thingy.
Since shanghai tower is being categorized in "megatall" (600m at least), how come it only have 129 floor? while its at least 140m higher than the 101 floor SWFC? it's even comparable to the HK's 118 floor international commerce centre.. 484m building with 118 floor, and 632m building only has more 14 floor? considering they both had a flat roof & didn't have a spire to be measured
is it because of the wind turbine? or they didn't count the truss belt?
The 118 floors of ICC are virtual floors, only real in the evil brains of marketing guys. I don't know what the real number is, but I remember that the elevator display "jumps" about 10 floors for the last floor. I guess all the "unlucky" floors are missing too, so the real number should be bellow 100 floors.
It's sad that the skyscraper forums and wikipedia promote this false numbers because it shifts the competition from higher floor numbers to more impertinent lies. The other proeminent cheater I know is the 1WTC in NY currently U/C where the numbers promoted are all around 105 but the actual floor count is 85 + 9 mezzanine (afaik the floors hit by the plains are missing).
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Old February 14th, 2012, 01:54 PM   #9971
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I don't get it why the floor count is so important to some people. Take the roof height and ceiling height of a building, do the math, and you'll get your "real" floor number. There are 250m tall buildings with 75 floors and 350m tall ones with 45 floors out there. So what?
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Old February 14th, 2012, 07:47 PM   #9972
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Its shape is difficult to build.
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Old February 14th, 2012, 10:50 PM   #9973
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I don't get it why the floor count is so important to some people. Take the roof height and ceiling height of a building, do the math, and you'll get your "real" floor number. There are 250m tall buildings with 75 floors and 350m tall ones with 45 floors out there. So what?
Offices with larger floors height are generally considered better. Usually a top grade office should have around 5m tall ceiling. A 250m building with 75 floors will be like residential building.
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Old February 15th, 2012, 12:39 AM   #9974
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I don't get it why the floor count is so important to some people. Take the roof height and ceiling height of a building, do the math, and you'll get your "real" floor number. There are 250m tall buildings with 75 floors and 350m tall ones with 45 floors out there. So what?
I don't think it matters much, maybe people want to press bigger numbers in the elevator.
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Old February 15th, 2012, 01:05 AM   #9975
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I don't get it why the floor count is so important to some people. Take the roof height and ceiling height of a building, do the math, and you'll get your "real" floor number. There are 250m tall buildings with 75 floors and 350m tall ones with 45 floors out there. So what?
Of course it's important. If you have 99 floors or 100 it makes a big difference in people's minds. So they quickly will add a floor, but if you look at for example WTC where they add more than 10 floors it's really big cheating.
Also most people (or companies) want to sit as high as possible. In New York, many think the higher the floor the more important the company or person occupying it is.
Now also with One57 they sell apartments at floor 90, which people are very impressed by, while actually it's only floor 72.
So I think floor count is very important my friend.
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Old February 15th, 2012, 04:12 AM   #9976
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The 118 floors of ICC are virtual floors, only real in the evil brains of marketing guys. I don't know what the real number is, but I remember that the elevator display "jumps" about 10 floors for the last floor. I guess all the "unlucky" floors are missing too, so the real number should be bellow 100 floors.
It's sad that the skyscraper forums and wikipedia promote this false numbers because it shifts the competition from higher floor numbers to more impertinent lies. The other proeminent cheater I know is the 1WTC in NY currently U/C where the numbers promoted are all around 105 but the actual floor count is 85 + 9 mezzanine (afaik the floors hit by the plains are missing).
Hi Nr.

In regards to ICC, level 118 is actually the 107th level. I have a section drawing from a more than reliable source. The level count is one of the strangest of any tall building.

That said, there are very few tall buildings that number the levels the same as they actually acsend in the structure, for various reasons. Some end up with a higher number than actual and some end up lower (the BK, for example). The developer can lay out a level count as they see fit - it's their structure. Just like with spires/pinnacles, I don't think the count being higher than actual is "cheating" but each to their own.

I personally find the level counts of tall structures interesting, being a numbers guy.


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Old February 15th, 2012, 04:41 AM   #9977
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also i believe a "megatall" building would have a great deal at overcoming an earthquake. Would they set up a tuned mass damper like in taipei 101 or SWFC too?
i think it's spiral shape is strong enough to withstand tempest force, the wind turbine also helps in this circumstances, but without extra defense against earthquake, its still risky.
burj khalifa didn't even have any tuned mass damper, is it because they already located in a safe zone from the tectonic plate?
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Old February 15th, 2012, 05:31 AM   #9978
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A pretty cool timeline by Mori from gaoloumi.com




and this gives a perspective of how big those middle sections are..

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Old February 15th, 2012, 05:50 AM   #9979
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That sounds like the ones they have in the tower of terror.
Yeah, but the tower of terror is the scariest thing in the world.
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Old February 15th, 2012, 10:26 AM   #9980
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the facade treatment ! awesome..
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