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Old February 15th, 2012, 01:09 PM   #9981
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Hi Nr.

In regards to ICC, level 118 is actually the 107th level. I have a section drawing from a more than reliable source. The level count is one of the strangest of any tall building.

That said, there are very few tall buildings that number the levels the same as they actually acsend in the structure, for various reasons. Some end up with a higher number than actual and some end up lower (the BK, for example). The developer can lay out a level count as they see fit - it's their structure. Just like with spires/pinnacles, I don't think the count being higher than actual is "cheating" but each to their own.

I personally find the level counts of tall structures interesting, being a numbers guy.


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Of course it's important. If you have 99 floors or 100 it makes a big difference in people's minds. So they quickly will add a floor, but if you look at for example WTC where they add more than 10 floors it's really big cheating.
Also most people (or companies) want to sit as high as possible. In New York, many think the higher the floor the more important the company or person occupying it is.
Now also with One57 they sell apartments at floor 90, which people are very impressed by, while actually it's only floor 72.
So I think floor count is very important my friend.
You and your "cheating". Everyone "cheats"! It really doesn't matter. Would you rather have a 300m tall building with 100 floors or a 400m tall one with 80 floors? And in case of One57, the official number is 72, so I see no problem with that. If a future resident wants to inform himself how many real floors his building has, it's pretty easy to do so. Also, as kix111 said, bigger ceiling height means better living / working condition. In short: Height > floor number. Get over it.
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Old February 15th, 2012, 03:27 PM   #9982
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WTC was 415m tall with 110 floors. And it was compared with low working condictions and darkness as you can see on pictures: http://willyloman.files.wordpress.co...wtc_office.jpg
http://willyloman.files.wordpress.co.../trusses-1.jpg
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Old February 15th, 2012, 04:25 PM   #9983
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You and your "cheating". Everyone "cheats"! It really doesn't matter. Would you rather have a 300m tall building with 100 floors or a 400m tall one with 80 floors? And in case of One57, the official number is 72, so I see no problem with that. If a future resident wants to inform himself how many real floors his building has, it's pretty easy to do so. Also, as kix111 said, bigger ceiling height means better living / working condition. In short: Height > floor number. Get over it.
Not everyone cheats! Only in marketing everyone is cheating. But we're not marketing here, and the forum rule for the thread titles is to put the "floor count" into it. It is not to put the biggest number on a elevator button! Because this can be anything.
But reality is that most thread titles here show the wrong number if the building is promoted with a higher floor count, although the thread owners are aware of the correct number.
And as you see people get mis-informed here, and actually we're all here because we want to inform ourselves, not to get fooled with PR numbers!

And when do we stop promoting the marketing BS? When somebody builds a three story house and claims that it has 300?
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Old February 15th, 2012, 04:36 PM   #9984
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In that photo it kinda looks like a fondue pot.
It is a fondue pot.
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Old February 15th, 2012, 05:46 PM   #9985
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WTC was 415m tall with 110 floors. And it was compared with low working condictions and darkness as you can see on pictures: http://willyloman.files.wordpress.co...wtc_office.jpg
http://willyloman.files.wordpress.co.../trusses-1.jpg
Thanks for those pics. I would feel very uncomfortable working in an office with such a low ceiling height, especially if one is used to 5m+ ceilings.

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Not everyone cheats! Only in marketing everyone is cheating. But we're not marketing here, and the forum rule for the thread titles is to put the "floor count" into it. It is not to put the biggest number on a elevator button! Because this can be anything.
But reality is that most thread titles here show the wrong number if the building is promoted with a higher floor count, although the thread owners are aware of the correct number.
And as you see people get mis-informed here, and actually we're all here because we want to inform ourselves, not to get fooled with PR numbers!

And when do we stop promoting the marketing BS? When somebody builds a three story house and claims that it has 300?
I agree, the thread title should include the real floor number, not the promoted one. Also, that way we would prevent discussions like these in the first place. But this thread ain't about floor counts, so let's stay on topic before a moderator comes along...
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Old February 15th, 2012, 09:18 PM   #9986
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WTC was 415m tall with 110 floors. And it was compared with low working condictions and darkness as you can see on pictures: http://willyloman.files.wordpress.co...wtc_office.jpg
http://willyloman.files.wordpress.co.../trusses-1.jpg
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Old February 15th, 2012, 09:30 PM   #9987
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What's the actual floor-to-floor height on a typical floor in ST?
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Old February 16th, 2012, 04:56 PM   #9988
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Old February 16th, 2012, 05:07 PM   #9989
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Old February 16th, 2012, 07:22 PM   #9990
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for me pictures are OK. They dismantled one crane :O
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Old February 16th, 2012, 08:23 PM   #9991
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for me pictures are OK. They dismantled one crane :O
I still see four.
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Old February 16th, 2012, 08:25 PM   #9992
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A wild truss belt appears!
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Old February 17th, 2012, 12:35 AM   #9993
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You can already get an idea of how considerable the "twist" will be, very nice.
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Old February 17th, 2012, 11:52 AM   #9994
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Nice pictures. Does anyone know if there are plans for the plot inbetween the Jin Mao and IFC mall?
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Old February 17th, 2012, 01:25 PM   #9995
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Sirs, How tall is it now?
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Old February 17th, 2012, 06:58 PM   #9996
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Noo! What happened to the one crane?
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Old February 17th, 2012, 08:09 PM   #9997
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From ShanghaiDaily, February 16, 2012



A CRACK up to 10 meters long on a main road in Lujiazui sparked safety concerns in the skyscraper area yesterday after pictures were posted online. The crack was spotted at an exit of the Shanghai World Financial Center opposite the under-construction Shanghai Tower. "It has been here for a while," a member of staff at a hotel in the financial zone told Shanghai Daily. However, the company that is building the Shanghai Tower said the crack was normal subsidence during the construction of the tower's foundation ditch, which is "under control." So far the underground structure of the building has been finished and the element that caused the subsidence should be gone, the company said last night via the Shanghai government's official microblog account. Repairs should be started soon once the rainy weather improves, the company said. Construction of the Shanghai Tower, which will be the tallest building in China by 2014, has been strictly monitored since the beginning, and this would not end despite the completion of the foundation, the company added. The Lujiazui area, which is now experiencing massive construction both above and beneath the ground, has long been at the center of debate over whether construction work could lead to subsidence problems. Below ground, five underground passages and a transit hall are being built to connect the skyscrapers and Metro stations. Above ground, the Shanghai Tower has reached a height of more than 200 meters of its intended 632 meters. Experts said that the loose earth structure in Shanghai and improper construction methods were very likely to trigger subsidence, especially uneven subsidence, which is more dangerous. Xu Liping, general engineer of Shanghai Geotechnical Investigations & Design Institute, said: "The soil in Shanghai is soft and the construction around or under is likely to cause cracks in certain places." But Xu said that determining the cause of the current crack could be a complicated process that not only required the involvement of relevant parties around the crack but a calculation of the influence of the construction work as well. Shanghai is taking active steps to tackle its subsidence problem. One way that has proved effective is to pump back groundwater drained during construction. Cracks and cave-ins, caused by subsidence, have frequently made headlines in the city. In October last year, a large piece of the road surface at a busy intersection collapsed in downtown Zhabei District. Local urban maintenance department officials said loose sand and earth beneath was to blame. Vice Mayor Zhang Xuebing has told local lawmakers the city is controlling the number of projects, with no more than 10 percent of roads affected by construction at any one time.
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Old February 17th, 2012, 08:23 PM   #9998
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They should learn from Japanese. This is really bad sign.
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This crack is not a result of earthquakes or tectonic movements. I don't see the correlation between this crack and the problems caused by earthquakes in Japan.
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No doubt it will be well looked into....especially if it becomes a hole.
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