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Old March 5th, 2012, 05:09 AM   #10181
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The vacancy rate for all of Shanghai's grade A office space was at 7.4% at the end of 2011, and that of Lujiazui was at 8.6%. Source

This is dangerously low for Shanghai, as the market is extremely dynamic and volatile in Chinese cities it is important to keep a fairly high vacancy rate as a buffert, so as to not create a bottleneck if the demand jumps. In Figure 1 in the PDF above you can see that vacancy rates dropped to below zero levels at the end of 2007, and this wasn't corrected until a number of massive office buildings (SWFC for example) were finished in 2008.

A steady vacancy rate between 10 and 15% should be considered healthy for Shanghai.
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Old March 5th, 2012, 05:37 AM   #10182
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wow..so this tower should have no trouble making rent..vacancy in the US is usually 15-20%
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Old March 5th, 2012, 08:46 AM   #10183
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I am not familiar with vacancy rates in the US, but all new office towers in Shanghai tend to fill up very quickly.
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Old March 5th, 2012, 12:28 PM   #10184
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Old March 5th, 2012, 12:33 PM   #10185
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Old March 5th, 2012, 12:47 PM   #10186
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It has been rainy for like a month.
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Old March 5th, 2012, 12:54 PM   #10187
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Considering the sustained heavy demand in Shanghai, is there a good reason to start a tower taller than the Shanghai Tower in Shanghai?
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Old March 5th, 2012, 03:04 PM   #10188
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I think the answer to your question has more to do with the efficiency of skyscrapers. There are no doubt optimised heights for skyscrapers (perhaps depending on the purpose) but I'm not in the industry, so I would not know exactly what those are. As an illustration, look at the Burj Khalifa. Its floor area isn't much greater than that of some smaller skyscrapers (Wikipedia says that the Sears tower has approx. 100'000m2 more floor area than the Burj) I think , but it still has a very wide base, which makes it an inefficient use of space. Some people have pointed out that the Shanghai Tower's core is too big, and therefore it limits the tower's useful space.
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Old March 5th, 2012, 05:52 PM   #10189
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Well, I made a model this evening to show its hotel levels' space utilization.







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Old March 5th, 2012, 08:36 PM   #10190
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How will the atrium style glass work with the hotels? Will each room look out onto the atrium?
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Old March 6th, 2012, 12:15 AM   #10191
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Something out of 'Bladerunner'.
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Old March 6th, 2012, 01:05 AM   #10192
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This is a great tower, but I think its just a little overrated. I love the design and the height and the engineering and everything, but I feel like people just may give it a LITTLE more than it's worth.
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Old March 6th, 2012, 01:27 AM   #10193
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This is a great tower, but I think its just a little overrated. I love the design and the height and the engineering and everything, but I feel like people just may give it a LITTLE more than it's worth.
It would be better if it was wider.
The square footage on each floor (not counting elevators, stairs, ...) is not so great.
Still, it will be an impressive tower, with it's own distinct style.

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Old March 6th, 2012, 01:47 AM   #10194
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And yet it probably IS going to be the greatest tower to stand on the surface of our planet.
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Old March 6th, 2012, 02:57 AM   #10195
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This is a great tower, but I think its just a little overrated. I love the design and the height and the engineering and everything, but I feel like people just may give it a LITTLE more than it's worth.
That sounds a bit like you are peeved that this one gets more attention than your own favourite.
No need to be, the WTC is a great tower, this one is the greatest in my opinion.
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Old March 6th, 2012, 03:03 AM   #10196
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This is the de facto design on a world scale, I like 1WTC but sorry, I much prefer the ST unique design and form anyday. Only the Burj/India Tower (when it gets built) are as aesthetically pleasing to the eye at such a height.
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That sounds a bit like you are peeved that this one gets more attention than your own favourite.
No need to be, the WTC is a great tower, this one is the greatest in my opinion.
And that's alright, if you like it better, I have no problem with that. I like both the WTC and ST

EDIT: Where's the cladding on this building, hasn't any gone up yet? Or am I just being stupid and not noticing it in the pics?
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Old March 6th, 2012, 04:04 AM   #10198
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Nope it hasn't started yet, think it is due to start may? I quote me on that though......
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Old March 6th, 2012, 04:39 AM   #10199
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I think the answer to your question has more to do with the efficiency of skyscrapers. There are no doubt optimised heights for skyscrapers (perhaps depending on the purpose) but I'm not in the industry, so I would not know exactly what those are. As an illustration, look at the Burj Khalifa. Its floor area isn't much greater than that of some smaller skyscrapers (Wikipedia says that the Sears tower has approx. 100'000m2 more floor area than the Burj) I think , but it still has a very wide base, which makes it an inefficient use of space. Some people have pointed out that the Shanghai Tower's core is too big, and therefore it limits the tower's useful space.
Perhaps the wide base on the burj is as well useful to increase the stability of such a high structure, we will probably start seeing that pattern within buildings of a similar height... think of Kingdom tower, it's base shares the triaungular shape and widens pretty much towards the base.
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Well of course a building that gets skinnier towards the top is more sturdy, really tall buildings will most likely always be built like this, and the reason for the triangular shape is because of the wind, it is the most effective shape to keep the wind resistance down.....
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