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Old March 10th, 2012, 07:17 AM   #10241
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Awesome progress...And great pictures....
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Old March 10th, 2012, 04:28 PM   #10242
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So when is this going to surpass both the Jin Mao and SWFC respectively?
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Old March 10th, 2012, 05:12 PM   #10243
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So when is this going to surpass both the Jin Mao and SWFC respectively?
Shanghai Tower height today ~250m

my guesses are:

Jin Mao ~420m
Jan. 2013

SWFC ~490m
May.2013

just by looking at the plan we had i come out with dates around there. May be a bit optimistic, but we will see
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Old March 11th, 2012, 12:02 AM   #10244
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That's very good possible.
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Old March 11th, 2012, 12:22 AM   #10245
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Don't get your hopes up, they are building a "green area".

What a waste...
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Old March 11th, 2012, 06:24 AM   #10246
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i do agree with you
if it is a good and nice handled park it is a good thing after all. we can't deny that shanghai, like all other metropolises around the world need more green spaces in all their urban chaos. it may be the wrong spot, but all in all green spaces are a nice thing to begin with in crowded Chinese cities.
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Old March 11th, 2012, 08:34 AM   #10247
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What are you talking about? Shanghai needs green zones! When you are there, in Lujiazui, you don't have any feeling it's empty. There are skyscrapers everywhere! So, more green zones to Shanghai.
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Old March 11th, 2012, 09:27 AM   #10248
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Every city needs green zones and parks...
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Old March 11th, 2012, 10:41 AM   #10249
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What a waste...
A city is more than the sum of it's skyscrapers.
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Old March 11th, 2012, 11:51 AM   #10250
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By me, Today. Should I resize the pic?

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Old March 11th, 2012, 12:30 PM   #10251
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The steel is almost 190 m.
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Old March 11th, 2012, 02:34 PM   #10252
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Old March 11th, 2012, 02:43 PM   #10253
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Thanks for the update Severiano. Pretty cool to see closeup views at the top of the rising frame.
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Old March 11th, 2012, 03:55 PM   #10254
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Every city needs green zones and parks...
But they need to be well placed and not just blindly built at the expense of pedestrian convenience and retail accessibility. There is a reason why you don't see a massive garden surrounding each and every building in midtown manhattan or any other functional city in the world. These developers in Shanghai are being inconceivably stupid. They are trying to build a world city with absolutely zero clue about what a world city looks like or ever been to a real world city.
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Old March 11th, 2012, 04:00 PM   #10255
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Cool Update, thx
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Old March 11th, 2012, 04:20 PM   #10256
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But they need to be well placed and not just blindly built at the expense of pedestrian convenience and retail accessibility. There is a reason why you don't see a massive garden surrounding each and every building in midtown manhattan or any other functional city in the world. These developers in Shanghai are being inconceivably stupid. They are trying to build a world city with absolutely zero clue about what a world city looks like or ever been to a real world city.
Could this have to do with the fact that Shanghai is planned with a contemporary 21st century rationale as opposed to NYC which was planned in the 19th century without much understanding of what planning was? So resulting in over-urbanized claustrophobic urban layout. Chinese cities are not doing those mistakes and it is one of the great things about contemporary Chinese urban planning.
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Old March 11th, 2012, 04:36 PM   #10257
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Could this have to do with the fact that Shanghai is planned with a contemporary 21st century rationale as opposed to NYC which was planned in the 19th century without much understanding of what planning was? So resulting in over-urbanized claustrophobic urban layout. Chinese cities are not doing those mistakes and it is one of the great things about contemporary Chinese urban planning.
Density and city structure is largely a personal and cultural preference. While you may not prefer the planning used in NYC, it was definitely planned. My opinion is that Robert Moses damaged the pedestrian and public transit nature of New York by orienting it more toward automobiles.

As for planning here, we don't yet have a lot of experience with supertall clusters. I will be interested to see how the Chinese manage the new phenomenon here.
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Old March 11th, 2012, 06:12 PM   #10258
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Could this have to do with the fact that Shanghai is planned with a contemporary 21st century rationale as opposed to NYC which was planned in the 19th century without much understanding of what planning was? So resulting in over-urbanized claustrophobic urban layout. Chinese cities are not doing those mistakes and it is one of the great things about contemporary Chinese urban planning.
It sounds like you have never actually worked in an office building or taken a commute in Shanghai before. The last thing you want to do when working 80+ hours a week is to have to traverse a massive green garden surrounding your office to get to a metro stop 15 minutes walk away after passing 5 more massive gardens. You've never had to walk 20 minutes to the nearest shop to get lunch because everything around you is useless garden instead of retail. People don't go to office buildings to enjoy the gardens and greenery. They go there to work and these green spaces just get in the way of that.
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Old March 11th, 2012, 07:13 PM   #10259
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Old March 11th, 2012, 07:40 PM   #10260
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Cool photos Nord.
What floor is it where the floor tiles are already installed?
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