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Old March 11th, 2012, 08:17 PM   #10261
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great pics of the inside .didnt realise that ceilings are going up already
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Old March 12th, 2012, 12:32 AM   #10262
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The last thing you want to do when working 80+ hours a week ...
Could this be the problem and not the planning?
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Old March 12th, 2012, 01:37 AM   #10263
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^Thanks for sharing the great interior pics^
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Old March 12th, 2012, 04:34 AM   #10264
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Cool photos Nord.
What floor is it where the floor tiles are already installed?
The tenth floor.
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Old March 12th, 2012, 04:38 AM   #10265
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i like No.4
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Old March 12th, 2012, 05:43 AM   #10266
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By me, Today. Should I resize the pic?
Always better to post them as large as possible for better detail. People can always hit Control/- to shrink them.

Great construction pics, thanks.
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Old March 12th, 2012, 09:43 AM   #10267
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Great pics! Interesting to see they've already started some interior works, maybe it's for display purposes?
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Old March 12th, 2012, 10:03 AM   #10268
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Could this be the problem and not the planning?
I also think that the planning is flawed. Cities that feel the most livable, IMO, have a nice separation between dense areas and parks. As James Howard Kunstler has said: 'You're not going to solve the problems of the urban by dragging the country into the city.' There has to be a distinct separation. Skyscrapers in Shanghai could use decent podiums rather than those green areas around every building that nobody will ever use(apart from just walking through them because you have to).
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Old March 12th, 2012, 10:08 AM   #10269
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Great pics! Interesting to see they've already started some interior works, maybe it's for display purposes?
Shanghai has a pretty low vacancy rate so chances are good it has already been leased and the tenant is starting the build out.
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Old March 12th, 2012, 02:43 PM   #10270
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Nice updates...
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Old March 12th, 2012, 03:01 PM   #10271
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nice to see the 1st interior pics. Thanks!
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Old March 12th, 2012, 04:26 PM   #10272
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I also think that the planning is flawed. Cities that feel the most livable, IMO, have a nice separation between dense areas and parks. As James Howard Kunstler has said: 'You're not going to solve the problems of the urban by dragging the country into the city.' There has to be a distinct separation. Skyscrapers in Shanghai could use decent podiums rather than those green areas around every building that nobody will ever use(apart from just walking through them because you have to).
Yes exactly! I thought they would've been over that by now but it looks like they are still making the same mistakes they made in the 1990s
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Old March 12th, 2012, 04:29 PM   #10273
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strange to see theyve already started the interior and there's not even any cladding on it yet!
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Old March 12th, 2012, 04:59 PM   #10274
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I think, this interior is the test sample.
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Old March 12th, 2012, 05:08 PM   #10275
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It sounds like you have never actually worked in an office building or taken a commute in Shanghai before. The last thing you want to do when working 80+ hours a week is to have to traverse a massive green garden surrounding your office to get to a metro stop 15 minutes walk away after passing 5 more massive gardens. You've never had to walk 20 minutes to the nearest shop to get lunch because everything around you is useless garden instead of retail. People don't go to office buildings to enjoy the gardens and greenery. They go there to work and these green spaces just get in the way of that.
I have not lived in an environment like Lujiazui, but I too am worried about what the atmosphere is like in such a place. China also seems to be steering its CBD designs with massive automotive transit capacities in mind, and I find that having 6-8 lane roads everywhere, and very sparsely placed mega-structures like those in Lujiazui make it much less enjoyable for a pedestrian.
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Old March 12th, 2012, 08:19 PM   #10276
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Thanks for these photoes.
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Old March 12th, 2012, 10:46 PM   #10277
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I totally agree on that! I really enjoy to see all those supertalls going up next to each-other, but at the same time this is an example of how not to build an attractive urban area with skyscrapers. They can learn from how they do it in Hong Kong. So tall but not dense...
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Old March 13th, 2012, 12:24 AM   #10278
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I have not lived in an environment like Lujiazui, but I too am worried about what the atmosphere is like in such a place. China also seems to be steering its CBD designs with massive automotive transit capacities in mind, and I find that having 6-8 lane roads everywhere, and very sparsely placed mega-structures like those in Lujiazui make it much less enjoyable for a pedestrian.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...jing_Road.jpeg
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi..._Mao_Tower.jpg
That second photo is a little out of date, don't you think?

It amazes me though how strongly the imprint of the "correct" style of development can prevail in people's minds. I have had a chance to live in a number of extremely different urban layouts and therefore have not grown a bias in this area (the kind of "my city/country/culture is the only correct way of building stuff" that were are witnessing here). I was impressed by the urban layout of Shenzhen and Guangzhou (I'm talking about the new development zones). Is Shanghai Pudong very different from those?
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Old March 13th, 2012, 12:29 AM   #10279
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I totally agree on that! I really enjoy to see all those supertalls going up next to each-other, but at the same time this is an example of how not to build an attractive urban area with skyscrapers. They can learn from how they do it in Hong Kong. So tall but not dense...
Hong Kong is one of the less attractive places for a pedestrian. From my experience at least. Unless you like tight places and large crowds

A primary example of good urban development is Singapore. I'm not sure how Shanghai compares to it though but I found Shenzhen somewhat going to that direction.
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Old March 13th, 2012, 02:15 PM   #10280
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This, with the Burj, are the two best skyscrapers in the world.
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