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Old April 27th, 2008, 08:35 PM   #1121
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i dont think that a spire will fit the "dragon" design. i added my favorite spire which is empire state building's and it looks ugly.

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Old April 27th, 2008, 08:44 PM   #1122
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agree totally densetsu, the a spire would look terrible
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Old April 27th, 2008, 10:24 PM   #1123
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Eh, of course a spire designed 80 years ago would look out of place on a modern skyscraper. A well integrated spire (a "continuation" of the twist, for example) could look great on this tower.
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Old April 27th, 2008, 10:28 PM   #1124
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it's not only because the added spire is 80 years old ...IMO any spire wouldn't look fit on that design
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Old April 27th, 2008, 10:47 PM   #1125
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If you dont like empire state's spire on shanghai center, i may try bank of america tower's spire which is more modern:

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Old April 27th, 2008, 11:15 PM   #1126
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Densetsu, what about Petrona towers's spire rising from the core? Should be ok.
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Old April 27th, 2008, 11:19 PM   #1127
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Btw, I've just added this to the first post:




Am I missing some designs?
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Old April 27th, 2008, 11:41 PM   #1128
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is this one going to have an ob deck if it is so on whitch higt ?

am sur of this is 650m

end here whitout spire !
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Old April 27th, 2008, 11:46 PM   #1129
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we know neither the final design nor the final height and you ask on which height the OB-deck will be ( ok, as far as i know there will be one ).
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Old April 27th, 2008, 11:48 PM   #1130
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That has to be the crappest render of SWFC ever seen.... I wouldn't draw too many conclusions from a diagram like that.


By the way what the hell are people doing trying to stick a random spire on top of a building which almost inevitably already has one?? Take a look at every rendering of this building, and tell me if you honestly think there are gonna be floors right to the top. Looking at the last picture you can quite clearly see just how much of the top is already a spire.
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Old April 28th, 2008, 02:18 AM   #1131
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On the other hand, rumour claims according to a worker of the project that 580m is the concrete height, meaning that the overall structure could be higher. They posted this at ss.cn.
If so, the height of the project is back to "uncertain". Let's erase the "580 m" in the header of this thread, and let's hope for 600-630 meters at least.
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Old April 28th, 2008, 02:39 AM   #1132
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If so, the height of the project is back to "uncertain". Let's erase the "580 m" in the header of this thread, and let's hope for 600-630 meters at least.
580m is the official height, we will change it only if they release a new figure. Rumours are only rumours
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Old April 28th, 2008, 05:47 AM   #1133
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I have to agree with zorg here. Until or unless the people behind this project officialy increase the height or make a new announcement, we have to go with their last announcment. I would like to see this building over 600m but for now it will be 580m.
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Old April 28th, 2008, 06:12 AM   #1134
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This project makes my nipples hard!!

Can the Pudong support the weight of all these megascrapers?
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Old April 28th, 2008, 07:17 AM   #1135
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So correct me on this. The one in the diagram is over 600m (one even mentioned 650m) but the official height approved was 580m? So I wonder how will this building look like to its surroundings if its height is 580m? I'm guessing it's probably smaller or thinner but it's just my opinion.
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Old April 28th, 2008, 07:54 AM   #1136
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This project makes my nipples hard!!

Can the Pudong support the weight of all these megascrapers?
I thought it should be able to. Don't they build skyscrapers by digging down to bedrock, drive piles deep into the bedrock and start building up from there?



Maybe Shanghai will pull something out it's hat and make it 900m tall to beat Burj Dubai. Wishful thinking.
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Old April 28th, 2008, 09:49 AM   #1137
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i heard from the worker for SWFC that 580 is only the concrete height...

and the online media in china nowadays is really not reliable, they said Shanghai Center will break the world'd tallest building's record at 580m..

when we know BD is already like 670m
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Old April 28th, 2008, 05:27 PM   #1138
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I thought it should be able to. Don't they build skyscrapers by digging down to bedrock, drive piles deep into the bedrock and start building up from there?



Maybe Shanghai will pull something out it's hat and make it 900m tall to beat Burj Dubai. Wishful thinking.
Shanghai is built on a swamp... the city is constantly sinking under the weight of the buildings. Also when they dig down they don't dig very deep because a lot of the city is at or below sea level, which is a problem during summer when it floods a lot.

The ground is extremely soft here so when building they usually dig a thin hole around the perimeter then put a huge wall down into it, then build a big frame and dig underneath the frame. They have to build new frames as they go down to stop the hole caving in. Then when they start laying the floor slabs they demolish the frame as they build up.
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Old April 28th, 2008, 07:08 PM   #1139
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i heard from the worker for SWFC that 580 is only the concrete height...

and the online media in china nowadays is really not reliable, they said Shanghai Center will break the world'd tallest building's record at 580m..

when we know BD is already like 670m
there you see how much people never heard from the Burj Dubai
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Old April 29th, 2008, 12:01 AM   #1140
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Hello,

would anyone of you guys please tell me, which is the actual or final design for the Shanghai Center?
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