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Old November 18th, 2012, 03:29 AM   #12781
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haven't seen any new photos in a week or so,, Lowai you on vacation? Lil Universe? The glass has to be starting above the 2nd truss by now,, I mean it's been a week they usualyy get 3-4 rows per week Unlike,, well I'd rather not say
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Old November 18th, 2012, 04:29 AM   #12782
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Old November 18th, 2012, 04:38 AM   #12783
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Very cool photos - now we know what the glass will look like over those truss belts.
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Old November 18th, 2012, 05:29 AM   #12784
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This might be the greatest skyscraper of all time.
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Old November 18th, 2012, 06:21 AM   #12785
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Yeah, it's turning out pretty okay, especially the cladding. Nice to see the truss covers don't interfere too much with the rest of the glass.
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Old November 18th, 2012, 09:11 AM   #12786
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Well Emirates are technically in Asia, but they can hardly be named "an Asian country"... an "Arab country" maybe
haha yeap they want to be called Arabs not Asians. However, I'm just answering the research about using concrete and tall buildings... hehe
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Old November 18th, 2012, 05:21 PM   #12787
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This tower is beautiful, I can't wait for the first picture at dawn or dusk with the light bouncing off both facades. Also, to the whole ST Vs. 1WTC price thing, you have to remember that the latter is built to take the biggest calamities fathomable and keep standing. I can't say this tower is cheap, this tower probably has equally, or near equally robust materials, just less of them. Of course we won't see three foot thick (~3m) 14000 psi rated core walls or custom made steel base columns of the strongest steel possible to produce at large scale at the time of production, but those aren't needed here. I might have to take a trip to this tower someday. Anyway, they are two buildings in different social, economic, and symbolic atmospheres. I love that this tower will, as far as I know, have space at the top freely assess-able to the public, a bold move in my book.
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Old November 18th, 2012, 07:17 PM   #12788
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Not necessarily...I guess the cheap migrant workers and the lower land costs make the real difference.
BTW land costs are much higher in Puxi ("old" part of SH) than in Pudong/Lujiazui CBD (where ST is located). So ST isn't even located in the most expensive part of Shanghai (that would be the area around People's Square).
Still the most expensive appartments in Shanghai are right in Lujiazui in those high-rises not far from ST.

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well you have to admit that 1wtc is quite more expensive then this bad boy being the fact that this is so much taller lol but yea i guess the parts of 1wtc aren't necessarily more expensive, does anyone know how much each of the facades etc cost on each of the towers for comparison?
+1. Actually lots of GOOD things in China are not that cheap. I've got some clothes, like a winter sweater, is is around 300 $. The brand is Youngor.
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Old November 19th, 2012, 12:21 AM   #12789
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I agree, someone really needs to do a little research...

All modern structures that's taller than my house probably use a combination of steel and concrete. You don't know exactly how much steel and concrete is used except the engineers. Modern supertalls in Asia are much taller than those from North America. And if you assume taller buildings use less steel than shorter buildings in these modern days, then you're wrong. Don't think it's a good idea to assume the amount of concrete and steel inside a building by looking at the external of a supertall; and if you're going by that, then New York is full of concrete and bricks by the look of outside.
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Old November 19th, 2012, 12:50 AM   #12790
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^ The base facade alone is $40 million.



No way
Labor cost is one really big factor, not only in building construction but also in manufacturing construction materials such as glasses, steel, concrete,..... I have no idea how much the facade is cost, but I'm sure that no country on Earth has better infrastructure, labor, and minerals required to produce quality materials (if you ignore the all the China stereotypes). If you had paid attention a bit in supertalls cladding in the past ten or twenty years, China is probably only country that can replicate and make a real life building look better than its render. This is all the result of a country's investment in all parts of the world, especially Africa, to obtain minerals. 1WTC's external is becoming similar to that of the Trump tower in Chicago, which is far from what it looks on computer, a result of not having quality minerals for glass production. Need to realize that the majority of materials people use on Earth were produced in China. China has the minerals, infrastructure, and labor to produce all types of quality materials, including quality looking glasses, which is what makes a building look good.
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Old November 19th, 2012, 01:52 AM   #12791
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Took these yesterday afternoon and this morning

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Old November 19th, 2012, 02:08 AM   #12792
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Lowai's photos are great as usual.

I wonder why they don't use the same kind of glass on the truss belt as on the outer cladding. Using glass with similar levels of transparency could ensure a better visual continuity. Now if the truss belts look obviously different, the whole tower will look divided in several sections, which I don't know is a good thing or not.

Also I noticed the glass panels on the truss belt are smaller and there's a gap. This is interesting. I wonder what will be used to fill in the gap.
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Old November 19th, 2012, 02:24 AM   #12793
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Is that even glass?
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Old November 19th, 2012, 03:33 AM   #12794
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Most buildings have this discontinuation, it makes the tower look less bland. If you look at 2IFC, ICC and even swfc, you see all these rows which disconnects the building. The most obvious one is GIFC, it makes the tower look less bland and more shaped.
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Old November 19th, 2012, 03:48 AM   #12795
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Lowai's photos are great as usual.

I wonder why they don't use the same kind of glass on the truss belt as on the outer cladding. Using glass with similar levels of transparency could ensure a better visual continuity. Now if the truss belts look obviously different, the whole tower will look divided in several sections, which I don't know is a good thing or not.

Also I noticed the glass panels on the truss belt are smaller and there's a gap. This is interesting. I wonder what will be used to fill in the gap.
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Is that even glass?
The 'belts' are MEP (mechanical,electrical,plumbing) /refuge floors. The gaps on the belt floors are for air intakes/exhausts (top/bottom respectively). And yes, the panels on the belt floors are not made of glass.

See http://www.gensler.com/uploads/docum...11_10_2011.pdf for more details.
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Old November 19th, 2012, 05:51 AM   #12796
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Wow!!! The cladding looks great over the truss belts,,, Smooth, this is by far the best going up at present time, or in my opinion ever... Welcome back Lowai, nice.
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Old November 19th, 2012, 07:50 AM   #12797
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Old November 19th, 2012, 08:09 AM   #12798
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are most people here some sort of civil engineers? A lot of people know so many things about truss belts, materials used, what different parts are etc...

I'm interested how many people know these things!
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Old November 19th, 2012, 01:26 PM   #12799
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Yeah, it's turning out pretty okay, especially the cladding. Nice to see the truss covers don't interfere too much with the rest of the glass.
Just enough to make them visible, wich is a nice extra detail.
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Old November 19th, 2012, 06:34 PM   #12800
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why is there a gap between the plates? they want cool air or something?
It has just been explained here.
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