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Old December 6th, 2012, 03:25 AM   #12961
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I have read some articles about salaries rising in China recently but I would have never believed they are growing that fast. I don't even think I believe now since a lot of information is fabricated in china, but if this is indeed true and construction workers will earn real money from now on, I guess we can say bye bye to the idea of worlds next tallest in china, unless they start hiring Pakistanis like Arabs do.
I think everyone knew that this was destined to happen in China, the same as it's happened before in every developing country. It happened in the US and western Europe too, but that was long enough ago that people forget what it was like here before then. The Chinese workers are starting to stand up and demand a better life and more than wage-slave pay, and not long from now the big factories for multinational corporations will pick up and move to SE Asia and rural India. Then when those workers start demanding decent pay and benefits, the factories will move to Africa.

Back on topic: this thing is really moving at a beautiful pace. "Shanghai Speed" indeed.
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Old December 6th, 2012, 03:28 AM   #12962
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I have read some articles about salaries rising in China recently but I would have never believed they are growing that fast. I don't even think I believe now since a lot of information is fabricated in china, but if this is indeed true and construction workers will earn real money from now on, I guess we can say bye bye to the idea of worlds next tallest in china, unless they start hiring Pakistanis like Arabs do.
I recently read a book The End of Cheap China written by Shaun Rein who certainly has more knowledge on the subject than your average Western 'expert' and 'investor'. He touches the subject of salaries with some depth and if we believe him, salary rises in China were crazy over the past few years which will inevitably push up costs including manufacturing and construction.

However I don't understand what's strange about an ordinary construction worker earning $1000 with overtime (mind you, this is very important) in Shanghai. It's not like construction workers are paid little anywhere in the world and China is no exception. I think some poeple may have some slightly outdated or simply distorted idea of what salaries are like in China's first tier cities.

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Old December 6th, 2012, 07:09 AM   #12963
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I am raising salary twice a year
Companies are moving to SE asia yes and then they get problems to produce good and cheap because of the infrastructure there.
Seems around and in Saigon is happening a lot and its becoming a good place
to produce.
Some of those companies moving back to East Europe, cheaper to produce
there then in Guangdong.
Many big companies have new policies and only invest in west china.
High tech industrie is just starting in china though, and for those products
you must pay the prize.
No one is going to Africa soon, no Infrastructure. Can not even choose the
colour of the paint for you apartment walls there, take what they have.
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Old December 6th, 2012, 10:46 AM   #12964
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Maybe a little off topic here. It's from NASA, I post it here just because I found it quite cool.

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Old December 6th, 2012, 11:52 AM   #12965
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well, i cant see shanghai tower from nasa.
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Old December 6th, 2012, 12:30 PM   #12966
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look closer haha =P
omg how its south korea dark =S
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Old December 6th, 2012, 01:38 PM   #12967
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North Korea is dark.

Pics like these gice a nice impression of the size of the cities.
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Old December 6th, 2012, 01:39 PM   #12968
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look closer haha =P
omg how its south korea dark =S
maybe you mean north korea?
you clearly see the border! i think only pyongyang is the only light spot in all country, sad for them
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Old December 6th, 2012, 03:33 PM   #12969
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Old December 6th, 2012, 04:31 PM   #12970
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Does anybody know why there is so much light in in front of the coast of Busan, South Korea?
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Old December 6th, 2012, 06:17 PM   #12971
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Does anybody know why there is so much light in in front of the coast of Busan, South Korea?
As there are no cities in the ocean, the abundance of light there can only be explained by... boats? Just a thought ^_^
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Old December 6th, 2012, 08:07 PM   #12972
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It will look like a giant dalek!
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Old December 6th, 2012, 08:14 PM   #12973
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As there are no cities in the ocean, the abundance of light there can only be explained by... boats? Just a thought ^_^
I too am very curious about this. "Boats" doesn't seem like a satisfactory answer however. I would imagine there could also be platforms/oil rigs. Does anyone know if this is the case?
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Old December 6th, 2012, 08:20 PM   #12974
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Old December 6th, 2012, 08:53 PM   #12975
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wow but why North Korea so dark ._.
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Old December 6th, 2012, 10:06 PM   #12976
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I can see at least 5 (7) bridges on that night photo.

1. Donghai Bridge connecting Mainland with Yangshan Deep Water Port.

2. Hanghzou Bay Bridge, connecting Shanghai with Ningbo

3. Jintang Bridge connecting Ningbo with Zhoushan Islands.

4. Shanghai Yangtze River bridge connecting Changxing Island with Chongming Island, both near Shanghai.

5. Chongqi Bridge connecting Chongming Island with the city of Qidong in Jiangsu Province

Those 5 bridges are clearly visible


There might be even visible another two bridges (barely):

1. Incheon Bridge connecting Songdo with Incheon INTL Airport

2. Jiazhou Bay Bridge connecting different parts of Qingdao.


Those two are barely visible, because there is a lot of light in their vicinity, but if you look closely they're there.

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Old December 6th, 2012, 10:16 PM   #12977
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wow but why North Korea so dark ._.
They are saving electricity, like those "green" things from the West, North Korea is #1.
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Old December 6th, 2012, 11:10 PM   #12978
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They are saving electricity, like those "green" things from the West, North Korea is #1.


Cant wait to see them launch their toy satellite.
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Old December 7th, 2012, 12:24 AM   #12979
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I too am very curious about this. "Boats" doesn't seem like a satisfactory answer however. I would imagine there could also be platforms/oil rigs. Does anyone know if this is the case?
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Old December 7th, 2012, 12:29 AM   #12980
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Does anybody know why there is so much light in in front of the coast of Busan, South Korea?
Busan is a major industrial port, so many of those can be freight ships lying anchored, waiting for a "parking spot" to be freed up in port. There is also a lot of fishing in the Japan Sea. Not too sure about oil/gas rigs.
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