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Old April 16th, 2013, 11:21 AM   #14521
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I wonder if white magnolia plaza would be visibla from this spot when finished. that would make the skyline look even more bad ass.
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Old April 16th, 2013, 01:21 PM   #14522
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Old April 16th, 2013, 01:48 PM   #14523
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I think it's time for the next Shanghai's Supertall project to come up. Shanghai Tower is not far from topping out, and once it's finished I would really like to see another futuristic and amazing building getting built in this city, of course in the Pudong Area

BTW my jaw drops everytime I check for new updates here!!
My jaw drops when i think 1 ton of concrete = 1 ton of C02. Are we all so seduced by these towers we forget their true impact. That will be 7 billion tons of C02 from China this year in concrete production alone. And yes i also slated the Shard for much the same reasons, before people think this is geo-political. All the efforts of Europe to try and produce more sustainable buildings and reduce the amount of C02 emissions are pointless when China continues on regerdless. But its a beautiful building so who cares! Lets continue to sleepwalk to a world broken beyond repair, we're only human.
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Old April 16th, 2013, 02:23 PM   #14524
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Europe and the US still have higher CO2 emissions per capita. It's too simple to say China is the bad guy and Europeans are the ones trying to save the world...
I can't tell (as a German) a Chinese that he should keep on riding his bike, but I want to keep my two cars per household.
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Old April 16th, 2013, 03:10 PM   #14525
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My jaw drops when i think 1 ton of concrete = 1 ton of C02. Are we all so seduced by these towers we forget their true impact. That will be 7 billion tons of C02 from China this year in concrete production alone. And yes i also slated the Shard for much the same reasons, before people think this is geo-political. All the efforts of Europe to try and produce more sustainable buildings and reduce the amount of C02 emissions are pointless when China continues on regerdless. But its a beautiful building so who cares! Lets continue to sleepwalk to a world broken beyond repair, we're only human.
I gave you a like for all this effort you put in in trolling this thread
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Old April 16th, 2013, 07:49 PM   #14526
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i also hope for more skyscraper density soon. there is still enough space eround for a few supertalls :p
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Old April 16th, 2013, 08:06 PM   #14527
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But its a beautiful building so who cares!
Exactly. Anyway...

Regarding building another supertall, after the ST I feel any other super tall built in Pudong would be a step down if built in a traditional fashion. The architectural bar has really been raised in that area.
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Old April 16th, 2013, 08:21 PM   #14528
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Exactly. Anyway...

Regarding building another supertall, after the ST I feel any other super tall built in Pudong would be a step down if built in a traditional fashion. The architectural bar has really been raised in that area.
I don't think so, after the bottle opener and the damaged muffler there sure is some place for another great architecture.
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Old April 16th, 2013, 10:41 PM   #14529
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I think it's time for the next Shanghai's Supertall project to come up. Shanghai Tower is not far from topping out, and once it's finished I would really like to see another futuristic and amazing building getting built in this city, of course in the Pudong Area

BTW my jaw drops everytime I check for new updates here!!
So, go get yourself some investors, some tenants, an architect and go for it!
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Old April 16th, 2013, 10:49 PM   #14530
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My jaw drops when i think 1 ton of concrete = 1 ton of C02. Are we all so seduced by these towers we forget their true impact. That will be 7 billion tons of C02 from China this year in concrete production alone. And yes i also slated the Shard for much the same reasons, before people think this is geo-political. All the efforts of Europe to try and produce more sustainable buildings and reduce the amount of C02 emissions are pointless when China continues on regerdless. But its a beautiful building so who cares! Lets continue to sleepwalk to a world broken beyond repair, we're only human.
How are we supposed to build then? Make buildings out of wood?
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Old April 17th, 2013, 01:10 AM   #14531
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I wonder if white magnolia plaza would be visibla from this spot when finished. that would make the skyline look even more bad ass.
Breathtaking views in Shanghai. Awesome.
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Old April 17th, 2013, 02:45 AM   #14532
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I gave you a like for all this effort you put in in trolling this thread
That's not trolling. That's sadly an honest opinion of an average English (I could expand this word if needed to) man's knowledge about China. This happens a lot in threads about Chinese buildings.

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Old April 17th, 2013, 02:47 AM   #14533
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My jaw drops when i think 1 ton of concrete = 1 ton of C02. Are we all so seduced by these towers we forget their true impact. That will be 7 billion tons of C02 from China this year in concrete production alone. And yes i also slated the Shard for much the same reasons, before people think this is geo-political. All the efforts of Europe to try and produce more sustainable buildings and reduce the amount of C02 emissions are pointless when China continues on regerdless. But its a beautiful building so who cares! Lets continue to sleepwalk to a world broken beyond repair, we're only human.
Did you ever think about how skyscrapers increase density, which reduces sprawl, which in turn reduces emissions? I think if you studied the trends of major cities that have increased their density over the past several decades, you'd notice that emissions per capita in their metro area will have dropped significantly, more than offsetting the tonnage of CO2 created in building those buildings (which are one-time emissions, rather than ongoing ones).
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Old April 17th, 2013, 03:03 AM   #14534
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Did you ever think about how skyscrapers increase density, which reduces sprawl, which in turn reduces emissions? I think if you studied the trends of major cities that have increased their density over the past several decades, you'd notice that emissions per capita in their metro area will have dropped significantly, more than offsetting the tonnage of CO2 created in building those buildings (which are one-time emissions, rather than ongoing ones).
Not necessarily Shanghai, but many other smaller Chinese cities really arent that dense, at least not dense enough to ensure that mass transportation is the preferred means of movement. They are essentially building large, spaced out appartment blocks at low density levels that ensure that anyone with the means to purchase a car will purchase and use one instead of utilize mass transportation networks. This fact is backed by the fact that automobile ownership in China is increasing at a quick pace and that more poeple own cars in China than any other nation in the world. China is the number one polluter of the world and the foolish urbanization policies followed by many of its cities will ensure that it will not only continue to hold that title, but continually strengthen it for a very long time.
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Old April 17th, 2013, 04:21 AM   #14535
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Not necessarily Shanghai, but many other smaller Chinese cities really arent that dense, at least not dense enough to ensure that mass transportation is the preferred means of movement. They are essentially building large, spaced out appartment blocks at low density levels that ensure that anyone with the means to purchase a car will purchase and use one instead of utilize mass transportation networks. This fact is backed by the fact that automobile ownership in China is increasing at a quick pace and that more poeple own cars in China than any other nation in the world. China is the number one polluter of the world and the foolish urbanization policies followed by many of its cities will ensure that it will not only continue to hold that title, but continually strengthen it for a very long time.
Your script is hypercritical and condescending to 90% of the world's people.

China doesn't polute - people do.

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Old April 17th, 2013, 04:21 AM   #14536
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I would love to see another Supertall in the area, well how about another Megatall,, The three represent Past, Present, Future,, what would the 4th's title be?? I would love to see them go higher than Burj with "something".. This seems to be the Place for it, or they can put it across the river, like Hong Kong's 2 Supertalls, seperated by a body of water,,That would be SWEET.... If not Burj height,, keep it consistent,, another 300-500 ft, taller than previous built, like the currrent 3! I would love to see 2500ft,, maybe 750+ (meters)...Another question,, what district is across the river?? heard it mentioned,, But Pudong district is the area with the 4 beauties, (OPT included) correct?? And somebody had a problem with SWFC's base on another thread,, compare SWFC with 1WTC's base,, Night and Day in my opinion,, 1wtc base is simply hideous,(as well as poor planned),, SWFC nice simple design looks 100 times better in my eyes.. I hate to "hate" on 1WTC because I like it, but the base and spire/mast have downgraded it considerably to myself and other forumers.. The base (wtc) just reminds me of a algae ridden aquarium.. They should have looked at SWFC's and went along those lines.. Just my opinion, I know I'm gonna be trashed by 1 WTC lovers, remember it's 1 person's opinion,, before blazing me... Ny'ers believe me I would love for projects like China's to happen Here in the States, but It just ain't gonna happen!! And I'm not anti-American,, just gotta give China credit where credit is due...
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Old April 17th, 2013, 06:31 AM   #14537
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Old April 17th, 2013, 06:38 AM   #14539
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My jaw drops when i think 1 ton of concrete = 1 ton of C02. Are we all so seduced by these towers we forget their true impact. That will be 7 billion tons of C02 from China this year in concrete production alone. And yes i also slated the Shard for much the same reasons, before people think this is geo-political. All the efforts of Europe to try and produce more sustainable buildings and reduce the amount of C02 emissions are pointless when China continues on regerdless. But its a beautiful building so who cares! Lets continue to sleepwalk to a world broken beyond repair, we're only human.
The CO2 produced to build this tower is nothing compared to the car emissions that would mean having a large new urbanized zone with many small constructions. But oh well Europe and the US are experts on designing sprawled cities so I'm not gonna bore you with that, so just let me ask you what it took to make Europe change after more than 200 years of non-stop pollution making. I guess that once they developed their economies and societies now they can afford new clean and expensive energy production, of course after realizing how messed up the ecology is now and that there's no going back, so yes! lets blame China for the greenhouse effect. But you tell me.

And yeah, right, we all signed up to skyscrapercity because we love short and small buildings. That's reallywhy our jaw drops
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