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Old August 30th, 2008, 07:40 PM   #1581
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I think this building is bad. Has no connection to China.
Skyscrapers need to relate to the architecture that already exist in the country that its build otherwise all buildings in the future will look exactly the same all over the globe.
Preserve traditions and culture through new buildings dont erase it.

Look at the Jin Mao tower, it resembles a traditional chinese building:

http://www.tupianku.com/bin/718/gyjz/jmds3.gif

http://www.tupianku.com/bin/718/gyjz/jmds2.gif

The SWFC with the original round design opening had some idea behind it too:

http://depts.washington.edu/chinaciv/home/3ylyvuex.jpg

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Old August 30th, 2008, 08:17 PM   #1582
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it resembles china in the future, why always reflect to the past? China is going to be a huge modern superpower, a huge modern superbuilding is a perfect match for that isnt it?

You can't have 100 jin mao like building places over china, have u got any idea how many of those wud be ugly? or look too similar?
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Old August 30th, 2008, 08:42 PM   #1583
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The Jin Mao looks superfuturistic but still beeing based on an original chinese design or thought, its not like they just made that design up randomly.
Dont you like the Jin Mao design? Isnt it more magical and exciting than just a box or a curved cylinder?

Wouldnt it be sad if looking at a a chinese city like Shanghai and see no traces of China in it.
Is it not important with national or cultural identity? Architcture is so important when travelling and experiencing new cultures.

You cant keep building similar buildings all over the world with no thoughts behind them, except for looking sleek and grand.

There are tons of other old chinese buildings you could base your design on. The Jin Mao is only based on one style of building. You could still experiment with classical chinese trademakr ideas or shapes instead of just building a tall building like the SHanghai Center that more looks like some modernistic vase from the west.
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Old August 30th, 2008, 11:46 PM   #1584
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why is the western society always considered more modern?

dont they have their past too?
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Old August 31st, 2008, 12:31 AM   #1585
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not rly, all our past has pretty much been destroyed in wars, all we got left is rome and athens... no skyscrapers being build there.

I dont think the west is more modern than china anymore, but it is indeed nice to have a building that fits with china's past. But China is allowed to move on too.
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Old August 31st, 2008, 01:57 AM   #1586
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thanks, well said
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Old August 31st, 2008, 02:13 AM   #1587
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The Jin Mao looks superfuturistic but still beeing based on an original chinese design or thought, its not like they just made that design up randomly.
Dont you like the Jin Mao design? Isnt it more magical and exciting than just a box or a curved cylinder?

Wouldnt it be sad if looking at a a chinese city like Shanghai and see no traces of China in it.
Is it not important with national or cultural identity? Architcture is so important when travelling and experiencing new cultures.

You cant keep building similar buildings all over the world with no thoughts behind them, except for looking sleek and grand.

There are tons of other old chinese buildings you could base your design on. The Jin Mao is only based on one style of building. You could still experiment with classical chinese trademakr ideas or shapes instead of just building a tall building like the SHanghai Center that more looks like some modernistic vase from the west.
It's a matter of taste. It would be incredibly tacky and disneylandish if every building in China were to call back to some "classical" Chinese design. You hardly see western skylines dominated by buildings that look like castles or Greek/Roman temples. The Jin Mao was tastefully done, but having more than afew in a city would look ridiculous.
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Old August 31st, 2008, 08:53 AM   #1588
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I say it's their country their culture, let them do as they see fit. Nobody should be force to live in the past. Had my country stay in the pass, I wouldn't be chatting with you here today.
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Old August 31st, 2008, 09:32 AM   #1589
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The clear shell that wraps around the twisting form of the building is a beautiful effect. I love it.
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Old August 31st, 2008, 12:00 PM   #1590
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I hope the guy continues this pic.
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Old August 31st, 2008, 02:23 PM   #1591
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I hope the guy continues this pic.
Yeah, but he will need more wideangle up if he wants entire SWFC and the future Shanghai Centre to be in the picture, they are taller than the image can show!
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Old August 31st, 2008, 03:03 PM   #1592
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Still it shows the awesome growth in Shanghai between 93 and 04.
If this guy hasnt done any later ones are there any forumers in Shanghai who can figure out where these were taken from and continue the set?
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Old September 1st, 2008, 12:00 AM   #1593
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Old September 2nd, 2008, 12:51 AM   #1594
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12 years

1993 and 2004 both included.

The growth is amazing btw
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Old September 2nd, 2008, 04:50 AM   #1595
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Staff, Puxi is much larger than Pudong in terms of the developed territory.
And I wouldn't call it "home to more skyscrapers than anywhere on the planet". Hongkong beats it up easily.
i think shanghai has more highrises than hongkong, if you wont believe wikipidia. shanghai has oceans of 20-30storey residential buildings in surburb.
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Old September 2nd, 2008, 04:53 AM   #1596
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i think shanghai has more highrises than hongkong, if you wont believe wikipidia. shanghai has oceans of 20-30storey residential buildings in surburb.
Boy, 20-30 storeys? that's only midrise, not highrise.
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Old September 2nd, 2008, 09:15 AM   #1597
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The Jin Mao looks superfuturistic but still beeing based on an original chinese design or thought, its not like they just made that design up randomly.
Dont you like the Jin Mao design? Isnt it more magical and exciting than just a box or a curved cylinder?

Wouldnt it be sad if looking at a a chinese city like Shanghai and see no traces of China in it.
Is it not important with national or cultural identity? Architcture is so important when travelling and experiencing new cultures.

You cant keep building similar buildings all over the world with no thoughts behind them, except for looking sleek and grand.

There are tons of other old chinese buildings you could base your design on. The Jin Mao is only based on one style of building. You could still experiment with classical chinese trademakr ideas or shapes instead of just building a tall building like the SHanghai Center that more looks like some modernistic vase from the west.

shanghai centre or shanghai doesnt look like west

west doesnt have those futuristic buildings or unique looking infrastructure
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Old September 2nd, 2008, 12:57 PM   #1598
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Boy, 20-30 storeys? that's only midrise, not highrise.
Everything above 12 storeys is a highrise...

12 or 120 floors are all highrises.

Although the exact definition is immaterial, various bodies have tried to define what 'high-rise' means:

The International Conference on Fire Safety in High-Rise Buildings defined a high-rise as "any structure where the height can have a serious impact on evacuation"

The New Shorter Oxford English Dictionary defines a high-rise as "a building having many stories".

Massachusetts General Laws define a high-rise as being higher than 70 feet (21 m).

Most building engineers, inspectors, architects and similar professions define a high-rise as a building that is at least 75 feet (23 m) tall.
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Old September 2nd, 2008, 02:37 PM   #1599
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Okay, enough with the highrise definition- and Hong Kong talk.
Keep it on topic people.
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Old September 2nd, 2008, 04:22 PM   #1600
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The title of this thread gives the wrong height in feet. It should be min. 2072, max. 2075, not 2027. That is, assuming that 632m is correct...
(meters and feet each rounded to nearest whole number, and 1ft=0.3048m)

Can anyone change the title please?
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