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Old November 10th, 2013, 02:55 PM   #17261
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Tower rising, old quarters torn down

View of Shanghai Tower from old quarters being demolished near Nancang Lu, South Bund.



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Old November 10th, 2013, 05:14 PM   #17262
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Old November 10th, 2013, 10:20 PM   #17263
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Not much progress sine the past days...what they are doing now?
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Old November 11th, 2013, 12:27 AM   #17264
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There's nothing gutsy about it; it's about market dynamics: it makes sense.
Exactly. China has a population of 1.3 billion (1 billion more than the US) that is also rapidly urbanizing. It needs these tall buildings. The US has more than the ability to build towers taller than these, but it doesn't much need them. Our population is already mostly urbanized and not growing at a fast rate. We are still building many skyscrapers, but those on the scale of China or the Gulf states don't make economic sense. (Though I don't want to stray off topic, people have still been speculating about a Chinese property bubble that might burst.) Nonetheless, these skyscrapers are very nice and it makes the most sense to build them in China with its huge urbanizing population. The megacities and megatowers of the future will probably be found mostly in China and India. I can only imagine what India will build with a population that is still rapidly rising and yet to fully urbanize.
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Old November 11th, 2013, 12:39 AM   #17265
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Not much progress sine the past days...what they are doing now?
Well, they reached the top of the core at 580 meters so right now I guess they are preparing the perimeter steel for the parapet which will form the top of the roof. I can only guess but I do think that they first need to finish the top steel ring before they can begin building the parapet
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Old November 11th, 2013, 01:35 AM   #17266
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So the building is topped out now?
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Old November 11th, 2013, 01:40 AM   #17267
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Pertaining to the core, yes, but the structure still has to rise another 52 meters until it reaches the top of the crown.
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Old November 11th, 2013, 01:45 AM   #17268
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Well it was designed by Gensler's Shanghai office which mostly consists of Chinese architects. The design team was led by the Chinese architect Jun Xia.

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Old November 11th, 2013, 02:22 AM   #17269
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Exactly. China has a population of 1.3 billion (1 billion more than the US) that is also rapidly urbanizing. It needs these tall buildings. The US has more than the ability to build towers taller than these, but it doesn't much need them. Our population is already mostly urbanized and not growing at a fast rate. We are still building many skyscrapers, but those on the scale of China or the Gulf states don't make economic sense. (Though I don't want to stray off topic, people have still been speculating about a Chinese property bubble that might burst.) Nonetheless, these skyscrapers are very nice and it makes the most sense to build them in China with its huge urbanizing population. The megacities and megatowers of the future will probably be found mostly in China and India. I can only imagine what India will build with a population that is still rapidly rising and yet to fully urbanize.
Well, more so that, when thinking of it from the perspective of the developer, because of the way in which the real estate market is manipulated (I don't mean that in the pejorative sense), it's more profitable to maximize the space as far as possible. In other words, one has to think about just how valuable that plot of land is, and how much they'll recuperate in rent from the sheer sq. footage of the building (i.e. if you're paying several million for that land, you're going to build the biggest building you can, regardless of whether the construction costs balance out because getting as many tenants provides the most "bang for your buck").

That's one of the curious things about the planning in these cities, the way that they have been leasing this land to developers "upsizes" projects in areas that need it (and/or acts as a multiplier for property values next to it - Burj Khalifa - which in turn attracts further development much more quickly). Kind of like a more malleable way to do zoning.
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Old November 11th, 2013, 02:46 AM   #17270
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While I'll be the first one to say that I couldn't give a lesser shit about China's economy and whether a skyscraper anywhere in the world needs a reason to be built, I did however stumble across this article earlier and thought it was a decent read. Once again, I couldn't care less about cities in China being ghost towns. It is kind of a slide show, so make sure you hit the "next" button



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Old November 11th, 2013, 02:53 AM   #17271
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yes that's what is written there in chinese aswell
Do not underestimate the power of bad Chinese translators!
(Once when I was in a locker room in China, the locks were supposed to say "high class bathroom locks" but they misspelled the "l" in locks as a "c")
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Old November 11th, 2013, 05:12 AM   #17272
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I really dont see the irony though...
The irony is that everything is now made in China when it used to be the other way around
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Old November 11th, 2013, 05:13 AM   #17273
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The building looks like a giant snake breaking from the ground out. The steel is taking too long to reach the core, or maybe I'm just being impatient. I want to see the crown so badly.
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Old November 11th, 2013, 05:59 AM   #17274
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Looks like a giant Dragon
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Old November 11th, 2013, 07:05 AM   #17275
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I really dont see the irony though...
I don't see the irony either...but i do see the iron trusses all around.
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Old November 11th, 2013, 07:07 AM   #17276
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Old November 11th, 2013, 10:11 AM   #17278
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So the building is topped out now?
No, just the Core.
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Old November 11th, 2013, 01:46 PM   #17279
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Well, more so that, when thinking of it from the perspective of the developer, because of the way in which the real estate market is manipulated (I don't mean that in the pejorative sense), it's more profitable to maximize the space as far as possible. In other words, one has to think about just how valuable that plot of land is, and how much they'll recuperate in rent from the sheer sq. footage of the building (i.e. if you're paying several million for that land, you're going to build the biggest building you can, regardless of whether the construction costs balance out because getting as many tenants provides the most "bang for your buck").
Close, but not quite. The keyword is "optimization". The company have to consider the profits they get from adding more square metres to the cost of adding more square metres. The costs will, eventually, rise faster than the profits, and at some point, the curves will cross, and each new square meter will cost more than it is expected to bring in over the life time of the building. With enough funding (such as the instance of Burj Khalifa, which was built to be a "signal building", not necessarily to be profitable), you can push this limit a little, but you will still hit a point where the cost of the building will be higher than the returns.

Building as big as possible doesn't always mean the biggest profits. There will always be a limit where the costs of building bigger outweighs the gains, the crucial thing is to find this point and try to stay below it. It's a very complicated calculation, especially considering fluctuating market prices, advances in technology (meaning, for instance, that the building would be ten percent cheaper if you waited a couple more years before building), changing building codes and regulations, et cetera. You might want to aim big, but you have to keep it within a reasonable limit. It's just that in some places, that "reasonable limit" can be very high.
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Old November 11th, 2013, 01:49 PM   #17280
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