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Old February 11th, 2014, 07:07 PM   #18321
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Thanks for the finding
The new design matches with the ongoing crown construction.
Like this:

[IMG]http://i57.************/2955p52.jpg[/IMG]
Basically, the original design contemplated the iron crown's structure to be exclusively resting on the topmost part of the iron cage placed on the top of the core. They've found this not be a too reliable solution, due to wind and seismic forces at such an height. Therefore they decided to make the crown iron cage supported both by the uppermost part of the core and by the uppermost belt truss, i.e. the one placed at levels 116-117-118.
Therefore diagonal bracing at levels 119-120-121 and vertical perimetral ties from level 122 up, are a complete novelty respect to the original project.
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Old February 11th, 2014, 08:00 PM   #18322
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Basically, the original design contemplated the iron crown's structure to be exclusively resting on the topmost part of the iron cage placed on the top of the core. They've found this not be a too reliable solution, due to wind and seismic forces at such an height. Therefore they decided to make the crown iron cage supported both by the uppermost part of the core and by the uppermost belt truss, i.e. the one placed at levels 116-117-118.
Therefore diagonal bracing at levels 119-120-121 and vertical perimetral ties from level 122 up, are a complete novelty respect to the original project.
Thanks for the insight and to the OP for the diagram.

Does this mean that the floor count will be 130?

Count it. If the diagonal bracing is at levels 119-120-121 then the structure will have 130 storeys. I count 9 mechanical above 121...and 7 storeys of equivalent crown above that...

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Old February 11th, 2014, 08:47 PM   #18323
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More or less, China Hand. The concrete structure has been T/O at the ceiling of level 124, from level 125 to 130 it's only steel, as it's clearly visible in the published photos. Here's where, amongst the other things, the 1.500 tons mass damper will be placed. Beyond level 130 will be 'pure crown'. What I actually don't still know, is which one will be the highest accessible floor, meaning for 'accessible' that is walkable by anyone (authorized personnel or public that is).
I know that the highest elevator's machinery room will be at level 124, so this may determine the official floor count. Anyway, the section above shows that also lvls 125-126-127 will have a walkable space (don't know if public or not) all around the mass damper encasement.
Seems to me that the floor of lvl 128 may be considered as the structural roof of the building, while lvls 129 and 130 should only be the steel where the mass damper will be hanging.
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Old February 11th, 2014, 09:03 PM   #18324
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I still don't get how many real floors this tower will have .
121? 124? 128? 130?
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Old February 11th, 2014, 09:07 PM   #18325
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Not only does the building keep getting better, the pictures do too!
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Old February 11th, 2014, 09:17 PM   #18326
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Old February 11th, 2014, 09:21 PM   #18327
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never see and never thought that we can found this view in Shanghai with ST as a background. in a few years, this area will transformed in to apartment block like we can saw in a right below

And that is a poity. Sure, Shanghai blocks are better than almost anywhere, but this low-rise communities are a history. Much better would it be if they repaired them so that these houses look clean and attractive.
Personally I prefer the high rises. This is Shanghai, a city, not a supersmall farm community somewhere in the fields.
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Old February 11th, 2014, 09:37 PM   #18328
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120 fl. is the last observatory. Next are same kind mechanical as WTC 1. Or something else.
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Old February 11th, 2014, 10:05 PM   #18329
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I wonder how visible the cross-bracing will be through the facade.

If it's very noticeable, it could muddy things up a bit. Conversely, it could make the crown appear like a longer, more distinct and more prominent section of the tower. Since it seems they're modifying things on the fly, we probably won't see any renders. I guess time will tell whether it looks better, worse, or doesn't make much of a difference.
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Old February 12th, 2014, 12:32 AM   #18330
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I wonder how visible the cross-bracing will be through the facade.

If it's very noticeable, it could muddy things up a bit. Conversely, it could make the crown appear like a longer, more distinct and more prominent section of the tower. Since it seems they're modifying things on the fly, we probably won't see any renders. I guess time will tell whether it looks better, worse, or doesn't make much of a difference.
They didn't changed things for aesthetic reasons. Anyway, the most visible parts of the new structure should be the vertical ties behind the glass facade .... nothing too much different from the vertical ties which substain the external glass skin for the full height of the building. The internal cross bracing isn't basically changed respect to the original project, and it's too internal to be seen from outside (also, it should be encased in some way).
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Old February 12th, 2014, 12:36 AM   #18331
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Maybe levels 128 and 129 have some walkable space, too. Aren't there small human figures representing that?
I can't see any small human figure at lvl 129.
There's one at lvl 128, but this doesn't mean lvl 128 couldn't be the roof .... roofs can be walkable as well
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Old February 12th, 2014, 03:39 AM   #18332
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Personally I prefer the high rises. This is Shanghai, a city, not a supersmall farm community somewhere in the fields.
The best city should include everything to reflect the world, as I say.

Low rises do not mean a farm community. Besides, many of these small houses feature decorations and sometimes even frescoes. They are just dirty and a bit worn out. But they can be an attraction.
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Old February 12th, 2014, 12:04 PM   #18333
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Old February 12th, 2014, 12:40 PM   #18334
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Nice view from the top.

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Nice view from the top.
Nice? That view is awesome! Just the quality of the pic isn't
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I mean the details of the building on top. Rarely seen such a picture, or in this case a screenshot from russian clip.
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Old February 12th, 2014, 01:35 PM   #18337
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I mean the details of the building on top. Rarely seen such a picture, or in this case a screenshot from russian clip.
Which is why the quality is poor. Still good enough to see the details of the crown structure.
It looks massive.
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Old February 12th, 2014, 01:51 PM   #18338
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some of the best photos i have ever seen of shanghai. maybe THE best.
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