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Old April 1st, 2014, 01:09 PM   #18901
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Old April 1st, 2014, 01:28 PM   #18902
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Old April 1st, 2014, 01:31 PM   #18903
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Old April 1st, 2014, 04:08 PM   #18904
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Hong Kong is tiny! He island itself is enormously dense but it is tiny.

Manhattan is not all high-rise at all. While Shanghai is almost all high-rise, we'll there are lots of mid-rises but there are many of the. In Manhattan, too. And don't forget the fact that in Shanghai the dense built-up area extends for 15 km from Huangpu to the west, pudong excluded.

Second, why do you count only 200+ m buildings? A skyscraper is a building which is 150 m high or taller. And here, I think, Shanghai is much much underestimated.

At Emporis and even Skyscraperpage New York and Hong Kong have impressive numbers in their databases. But Shanghai is poorly described there. Hundreds of residential high rises are not counted.
The definition of a skyscraper is not a fixed point. Unless you plan on using supertall and megatall and ultratall and hypertall and superlativetall for the rest of your life, the threshold of skyscraper definition is going to have to increase with inflation.

One hundred years ago, 150m was an impressive height for any building, and it was uncommon and a technical challenge.

Nowadays, 150m is somewhat ordinary and unimportant and almost routine.

Also, since when has unchecked urban sprawl been a thing to strive towards? Shanghai is hell on earth. It spreads out in all directions with worrying levels of Chinese uniformity, mile after mile of drab, workhorse structures built to house too many people in too small an area. Then there's the smog and the pollution and the staggering economic inequalities.

I love the Shanghai Tower, but in an abstract sense. Taken in isolation, it's a work of art and an engineering marvel. But Shanghai today is what the people of fifty years ago worried the world would turn out to be. People have written dystopian novels that were more uplifting than 21st century China.
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Old April 1st, 2014, 06:01 PM   #18905
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Old April 1st, 2014, 06:16 PM   #18906
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I don't get how people compare Shanhai to New York City/Manhattan and Hong Kong.
Shanghai is like 3 times bigger in population than these two.
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Old April 1st, 2014, 06:26 PM   #18907
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I don't get how people compare Shanhai to New York City/Manhattan and Hong Kong.
Shanghai is like 3 times bigger in population than these two.
Shanghai and NYC are similar. Shanghai is about 25 million metro, NYC is about 25 million metro.
You have to include areas near the official city and scale for size.

Bigger also does not mean better. It just means bigger.
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Old April 1st, 2014, 06:33 PM   #18908
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Shanghai and NYC are similar. Shanghai is about 25 million metro, NYC is about 25 million metro.
You have to include areas near the official city and scale for size.

Bigger also does not mean better. It just means bigger.
NYC metro is 19m. New York CSA is 25 but the CSA is six times larger in area. Both of which are many times larger than Shanghai metro anyway.
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Old April 1st, 2014, 06:56 PM   #18909
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The definition of a skyscraper is not a fixed point. Unless you plan on using supertall and megatall and ultratall and hypertall and superlativetall for the rest of your life, the threshold of skyscraper definition is going to have to increase with inflation.



One hundred years ago, 150m was an impressive height for any building, and it was uncommon and a technical challenge.



Nowadays, 150m is somewhat ordinary and unimportant and almost routine.



Also, since when has unchecked urban sprawl been a thing to strive towards? Shanghai is hell on earth. It spreads out in all directions with worrying levels of Chinese uniformity, mile after mile of drab, workhorse structures built to house too many people in too small an area. Then there's the smog and the pollution and the staggering economic inequalities.



I love the Shanghai Tower, but in an abstract sense. Taken in isolation, it's a work of art and an engineering marvel. But Shanghai today is what the people of fifty years ago worried the world would turn out to be. People have written dystopian novels that were more uplifting than 21st century China.

Could you not talk out of your ass? The worst parts of Shanghai beat the average of probably most cities in the world. Shanghai isn't that high density at ground level. Lots of nice greenery, but still shops everywhere, and a top notch metro system, I'd have to say it's one of the top cities I've ever visited. I can see why Night City Dream is such a fan, I was incredibly impressed with just one visit.
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Old April 1st, 2014, 08:48 PM   #18910
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how much longer till this tower tops out?
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Old April 1st, 2014, 11:44 PM   #18911
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The definition of a skyscraper is not a fixed point. Unless you plan on using supertall and megatall and ultratall and hypertall and superlativetall for the rest of your life, the threshold of skyscraper definition is going to have to increase with inflation.

One hundred years ago, 150m was an impressive height for any building, and it was uncommon and a technical challenge.

Nowadays, 150m is somewhat ordinary and unimportant and almost routine.

Also, since when has unchecked urban sprawl been a thing to strive towards? Shanghai is hell on earth. It spreads out in all directions with worrying levels of Chinese uniformity, mile after mile of drab, workhorse structures built to house too many people in too small an area. Then there's the smog and the pollution and the staggering economic inequalities.

I love the Shanghai Tower, but in an abstract sense. Taken in isolation, it's a work of art and an engineering marvel. But Shanghai today is what the people of fifty years ago worried the world would turn out to be. People have written dystopian novels that were more uplifting than 21st century China.
That's a bit off topic here, but smog doesn't come because of such a density or smith like that. It is to a great extent the result of many many industries across the country and especially - coal-fired power stations.

To me, Shanghai is an ideal city as it keeps on well with having so many people living together pretty well. What city can boast having so few traffic jams taken into account such density and so many cars per area unit? In Shanghai you feel its power but at the same time you feel good, you don't feel humiliated or squeezed by the city.
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Old April 2nd, 2014, 01:26 AM   #18912
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Cladding has now reached well above the 7th truss belt, so it's closer to being complete. Now we just have to see how unique the crown turns out.
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Old April 2nd, 2014, 12:57 PM   #18913
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Old April 2nd, 2014, 01:00 PM   #18914
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The best view of Lujiazui skyline. Would be even nicer when the Bund Financial Centre and White Magnolia Tower are completed.

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Old April 2nd, 2014, 09:02 PM   #18915
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Old April 2nd, 2014, 09:35 PM   #18916
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Old April 2nd, 2014, 09:42 PM   #18917
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Old April 2nd, 2014, 10:10 PM   #18918
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Off topic: how tall is the Bund financial center supposed to be?
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Old April 3rd, 2014, 12:04 AM   #18919
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Stunning pictures!!!!
Each time i can see a much better and more beautiful tower emerging thourgh the sky !
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