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Old November 16th, 2012, 12:45 AM   #2041
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Old November 16th, 2012, 01:39 AM   #2042
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The H train is back and will now be running between Mott Ave and B90 St in the Rockaways, disconnected from the rest of the system. This is because it will take several months for the subway bridge to the Rockaways to be rebuilt.

Subway cars were loaded onto flatbed trucks in Ozone Park, Queens and trucked across the Cross Bay Boulevard Bridge and placed back on the rails at Rockaway Park.

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Old December 5th, 2012, 01:35 PM   #2045
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Gruesome murder on NY subway reinforces need for system-wide PSDs

An extremely gruesome murder happened on New York subway when a man was pushed to his death, which created a huge controversy since a imminent pre-death pic was taken by a freelance journalist and published (link here: http://news.nationalpost.com/2012/12...-new-york-post , it's all over the media anyway)

This even, yet again, shows how FRA should mandate that ALL subway and commuter rail stations be fit with platform screen doors, even if only chest-height, that prevent people and objects from falling on the tracks.

MTA should be obliged to install such doors in all its stations within a maximum of 8-10 years.
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Old December 5th, 2012, 02:25 PM   #2046
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OK, fair enough. How about all the other agencies in the US and worldwide that do not provide in PSD's currently? Should they also be mandated to install PSD's within the next 8 to 10 years or so?
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Old December 5th, 2012, 05:03 PM   #2047
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An extremely gruesome murder happened on New York subway when a man was pushed to his death, which created a huge controversy since a imminent pre-death pic was taken by a freelance journalist and published (link here: http://news.nationalpost.com/2012/12...-new-york-post , it's all over the media anyway)

This even, yet again, shows how FRA should mandate that ALL subway and commuter rail stations be fit with platform screen doors, even if only chest-height, that prevent people and objects from falling on the tracks.

MTA should be obliged to install such doors in all its stations within a maximum of 8-10 years.
Except that's a ton of money for nowhere near enough in return. You need automatic operation to ensure that the train stops within proper distance of the front of the platform for doors to open, while B Divison cars have different spacing between doors due to 60' and 75'-foot-long cars. There's also the cost of retrofitting that would be insane, mind you that it's not possible to fit them in on many curved platforms, and think of where the money for this that could go towards more necessary work would be taken from, not to mention the cost of actually implementing CBTC and/or ATO, which is going to take forever as it is. It's like people who say that the subway should be entirely, 100% accessible: it's not possible.
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MTA should be obliged to install such doors in all its stations within a maximum of 8-10 years.
Here we go again...
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OK, fair enough. How about all the other agencies in the US and worldwide that do not provide in PSD's currently? Should they also be mandated to install PSD's within the next 8 to 10 years or so?
Yes, it should be a federal law requiring any public transportation vehicle that uses elevated platforms (buses, commuter rail, Amtrak) where waiting passengers are allowed before vehicles are completely stopped to be fitted with PSDs within a decade or so.
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Old December 5th, 2012, 05:49 PM   #2050
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But Amtrack use a lot of different rolling stock, where the doors are differently aligned.
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But Amtrack use a lot of different rolling stock, where the doors are differently aligned.
I think they could come up with a partial solutions: platform screen doors that isolate the platforms splitting then longitudinally in two, with a 4" wide (or whatever is needed to fit a wheelchair) buffer safe zone where people can move to/from trains and are opened when a train is stopped but seals the area when there are no trains stopped

That way, you don't need to fit train access doors to PSDs.

It might be possible to create systems have fully moving panels that can be superimposed to create an opening at any door configuration of trains.
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Old December 5th, 2012, 05:59 PM   #2052
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An extremely gruesome murder happened on New York subway when a man was pushed to his death, which created a huge controversy since a imminent pre-death pic was taken by a freelance journalist and published (link here: http://news.nationalpost.com/2012/12...-new-york-post , it's all over the media anyway)

This even, yet again, shows how FRA should mandate that ALL subway and commuter rail stations be fit with platform screen doors, even if only chest-height, that prevent people and objects from falling on the tracks.

MTA should be obliged to install such doors in all its stations within a maximum of 8-10 years.
But it want remove the cause of case - that madman would just smack victim's head on PSD... So it's more effective to improve public security. PSD are fine too, but the astronomical cost of retrofitting the existing stations makes them questionable for existing lines.
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An extremely gruesome murder happened on New York subway when a man was pushed to his death, which created a huge controversy since a imminent pre-death pic was taken by a freelance journalist and published (link here: http://news.nationalpost.com/2012/12...-new-york-post , it's all over the media anyway)

This even, yet again, shows how FRA should mandate that ALL subway and commuter rail stations be fit with platform screen doors, even if only chest-height, that prevent people and objects from falling on the tracks.

MTA should be obliged to install such doors in all its stations within a maximum of 8-10 years.
These incidents are rare , the deaths by Rail are about 1800 a year...small compared to the 45,000 by Road accidents if anything we need better designed roads.
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But Amtrack use a lot of different rolling stock, where the doors are differently aligned.
What Intercity system aside from Japan uses PSD's what a waste....
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If I recall correctly, Suburbanist (or someone else, not sure) once argued on another forum that PSDs should be installed on sidewalks to prevent folks from pushing each other in front of moving traffic. I think the sardonic nature of his or her comments has not been properly recognized...
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Yes, it should be a federal law requiring any public transportation vehicle that uses elevated platforms (buses, commuter rail, Amtrak) where waiting passengers are allowed before vehicles are completely stopped to be fitted with PSDs within a decade or so.
And how would you fit them in at Union Square on the Lex? The doors would open onto the track due to the curve.
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If I recall correctly, Suburbanist (or someone else, not sure) once argued on another forum that PSDs should be installed on sidewalks to prevent folks from pushing each other in front of moving traffic. I think the sardonic nature of his or her comments has not been properly recognized...
I didn't advocate that. I advocated, indeed, building waist-high glass/transparent barriers that preclude pedestrians from crossing major thoroughfares outside designated crossing points (pedestrians strips, traffic-light controlled intersections etc), and I even advocated building physically segregated bike lanes with lateral protections that isolate bikes from both cars and pedestrians. I'm all in favor of segregating objects/people that don't mix together from one another with grade-separation, fences, barriers etc.
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I think they could come up with a partial solutions: platform screen doors that isolate the platforms splitting then longitudinally in two, with a 4" wide (or whatever is needed to fit a wheelchair) buffer safe zone where people can move to/from trains and are opened when a train is stopped but seals the area when there are no trains stopped

That way, you don't need to fit train access doors to PSDs.

It might be possible to create systems have fully moving panels that can be superimposed to create an opening at any door configuration of trains.
Well, it's good technical solutions, but what about price? USA need a lot of investment in it's transport infrastructure, but world economic energy-base are declining too, so there wouldn't be much funds available for extra-costs like PSD.
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