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Old February 17th, 2013, 06:08 PM   #2081
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Contactless card a-la-London, if I can recall.
There's nothing wrong with magnetic cards, though.
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Old February 17th, 2013, 10:37 PM   #2082
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. The NYC subway should set a goal to look like the Hong Kong MTR or Singapore MRT in 20 years.
This is not going to happen. The mentality is very old-fashioned and backwards.
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Old February 18th, 2013, 03:20 AM   #2083
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Or there isn't enough money...
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Old February 18th, 2013, 06:52 AM   #2084
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Or there isn't enough money...
Yes. But I think a more accurate way to phrase this is that New Yorkers refuse to pay for it. If you compare fares to that in London, they are actually VERY low on the NY MTA...it would probably take a 20-25% fare hike in the immediate term, and maybe 40% long term, to do anything meaningful.
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Old February 18th, 2013, 08:00 AM   #2085
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I hope not, the NYC subway should retain it's historical character. It's what makes it interesting.
The NY subway is a TRANSPORTATION system, not a HERITAGE ride.

It should function and be upgraded to modern standards, if it is to be relevant for decades to come and serve people with expectation of 21st Century. For instance, I wish the feds, state courts or anyone ordered 100% station ADA compliance or else order non-compliant stations to be shut down entirely. It is absurd that in 2013 more than half of the system's stations still keep out those who are physically disabled by not having lifts.
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Old February 18th, 2013, 08:35 AM   #2086
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Subway looks like 3rd world.

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Old February 18th, 2013, 02:56 PM   #2087
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The NY subway is a TRANSPORTATION system, not a HERITAGE ride.

It should function and be upgraded to modern standards, if it is to be relevant for decades to come and serve people with expectation of 21st Century. For instance, I wish the feds, state courts or anyone ordered 100% station ADA compliance or else order non-compliant stations to be shut down entirely. It is absurd that in 2013 more than half of the system's stations still keep out those who are physically disabled by not having lifts.
It's possible to upgrade to modern standards witout making it look like a generic, sanitized Asian system devoid of any character, history or esthetic quality. In my experience the subway is very effective despite its age. The problems primarily concern esthetics and lack of access for handicapped people. The system should also be expanded.
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Old February 18th, 2013, 03:31 PM   #2088
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It's possible to upgrade to modern standards witout making it look like a generic, sanitized Asian system devoid of any character, history or esthetic quality.
This is what they did in Paris and have mostly done in London; two large, old systems. The same can apply to NY I'm sure.
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Old February 18th, 2013, 05:17 PM   #2089
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Looks like troll city is back on the NY subway forum.

We do this shit every three months, ladies and gents.
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Old February 18th, 2013, 05:23 PM   #2090
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Looks like troll city is back on the NY subway forum.

We do this shit every three months, ladies and gents.
No, it is not trolling, it is true. Don't think that I am troll or something like this, but it is really important discussion. New York is the greatest city in the world and NY subway needs to be the greatest subway in the world
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Old February 18th, 2013, 05:37 PM   #2091
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No, it is not trolling, it is true. Don't think that I am troll or something like this, but it is really important discussion. New York is the greatest city in the world and NY subway needs to be the greatest subway in the world
You get what you pay for.


*though, it would be far more effective to list this in PPP$
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Old February 18th, 2013, 05:46 PM   #2092
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Yes. But I think a more accurate way to phrase this is that New Yorkers refuse to pay for it. If you compare fares to that in London, they are actually VERY low on the NY MTA...it would probably take a 20-25% fare hike in the immediate term, and maybe 40% long term, to do anything meaningful.
Well London has the highest mass transit fares of any major subway system in Europe, and North America, so every system is cheap compared to London. More fare hikes are probably in the future, in addition to the three we've recently had. But if the MTA has to balance its books on ridership fees, so should the highway system, and so should the airlines. Only fair.

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Looks like troll city is back on the NY subway forum.

We do this shit every three months, ladies and gents.
It is getting really tired.
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Old February 18th, 2013, 06:16 PM   #2093
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Well London has the highest mass transit fares of any major subway system in Europe, and North America, so every system is cheap compared to London.
Yes. But the problem with that graphic is that it is in direct exchange rather than PPP$. What I was getting at, is that this is a public good, which means there are a lot of social forces that weigh in before economic ones (i.e. it might make perfect economic sense to modernize it, but the cost of it is going to be felt most by patrons).

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But if the MTA has to balance its books on ridership fees, so should the highway system, and so should the airlines. Only fair.
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Oh no, that wasn't the point I was trying to make.
I'm not poking at them. I just...when people think about these things, they tend to kind of approach it from an abstract angle, instead of understanding that it is just not ideal at the moment.

Any huge undertaking like a system wide rejuvenation, while welcome, would cause fare hikes.

Put simply, I was just pointing out that given the choice with affordable/accessible service, and modernization, New Yorkers seem to have sided on the side of the former.
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Old February 18th, 2013, 06:35 PM   #2094
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My apologies on the second part of my post you quoted, I thought you were subtly making that point.

I agree with your assessment though, cleanliness isn't a high priority for NYers when it comes to the subway. Part of that is that just a short time ago the system was far far worse than it is today, so we have seen a lot of progress on that front. Admittedly, it's far from ideal, but there are far more urgent needs to the system; expansions to service like the SAS, or replacing old signals or cars, or repairing the damage to South St Station due to Sandy which has left it completely shut down.
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Old February 18th, 2013, 06:38 PM   #2095
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Admittedly, it's far from ideal, but there are far more urgent needs to the system; expansions to service like the SAS, or replacing old signals or cars, or repairing the damage to South St Station due to Sandy which has left it completely shut down.
Exactly! Which is why I don't get why people don't understand why we get exasperated when they keep refraining "Why is NYC's subway so old/dirty/etc?"

It's like going to Venice or Paris and complaining about the smell.
Everyone is aware that it is aging. They are improving it the best they can (2nd Ave, East Side Access, 7th Ave ext...).
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Old February 18th, 2013, 06:54 PM   #2096
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It's like going to Venice or Paris and complaining about the smell.
What does the Venice metro smell like?

I did notice that the Paris metro smells like rotten egg farts sometimes. Don't go all Calimero on us.
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Old February 18th, 2013, 07:02 PM   #2097
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Obviously, there's no metro in Venice. He refers to the water channels.
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Old February 18th, 2013, 07:06 PM   #2098
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I don't think comparing single-ride fares is a proper measure of comparison, because in many cities with subways/metros a large number of riders use subscription plans and passes, especially commuters.

For instance, a London Oyster Card with a monthly plan costs not that much more than 4 week travelcards in NYC.
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Old February 18th, 2013, 08:38 PM   #2099
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I don't think comparing single-ride fares is a proper measure of comparison, because in many cities with subways/metros a large number of riders use subscription plans and passes, especially commuters.

For instance, a London Oyster Card with a monthly plan costs not that much more than 4 week travelcards in NYC.
That's exactly right.

A monthly Travelcard is 116.80 GBP.
A monthly Metrocard is 112 USD.

It's basically the same amount of GBP as USD!!
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Old February 18th, 2013, 09:30 PM   #2100
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With a Metrocard you can go from Kingsbridge to Coney Island.
With a Zone 1/2 Travelcard... good luck with that, unless you wanna use the buses. If you consider the housing price in London inner areas, the monthly fare will be higer for "normal" people living in outer zones. The price is partially justified by the fact that the system (which doesn't run 24/7) is amazingly efficient even compared to MTA's.
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