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Old March 10th, 2013, 09:53 PM   #2141
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It is very strange, because in every other country government tries to make their metro systems fully automated. And this is very sad that because of couple of people NY subway will not be very good and modern
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Old March 10th, 2013, 11:21 PM   #2142
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It is very strange, because in every other country government tries to make their metro systems fully automated. And this is very sad that because of couple people NY subway will not be good and modern
The US the Federal government has little to do with the NYC subway other than financial grants and subsidies.

In case you did not know the NYC subway has been running 24 hours a day 365 days a year since 1905(that's 108 years) with a few exceptions.

Blackout 1965...9 November 1965 (13 hours)
Blackout 1977...July 13–14, 1977
09.11.2001...partial service resumed a few days after the attack
Blackout 2003.. Aug.15-16, 2003
Hurricane Sandy Nov 2012.....The Subway was out of service in lower Manhattan and Brooklyn for several days. But in about two weeks time the system was up and running.

tell me does the Moscow metro operate 24/7/365? I don't think so.
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Old March 10th, 2013, 11:50 PM   #2143
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No, it is not NY subway is practically the only metro system in the world, which operates 24 hours.
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Old March 11th, 2013, 12:36 AM   #2144
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The article is referring to the old South Ferry Station ..which be re-opened.



Read that paragraph One station $500 million dollars..one station.

This is why you cannot rebuild every station in the NYC subway system. It cost to much. Period.

And of course the existing stations can be scrubbed and upgraded as need be.
In fairness not every station would cost $500m to replace, but I got to ask who wants to replace every station anyway?.

With South Ferry it is in a pretty unique location and required a lot of engineering to build and keep the existing line running hence the cost. Discovery has a doco on the rebuild which is quite interesting to see what they were facing and gives an idea of why it was so expensive. I do wonder though what kind of damage will cause a 3 year closure and $600m rebuild. Must be lots of structural damage rather than cosmetic damage.
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Old March 11th, 2013, 01:16 AM   #2145
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I'm not sure,... but.. it could be because of these fine people...

Transit Workers Union Local 100

Those folks are not about to give up a single job without a fight.
Unions played a role in the automation of Line 1 in Paris, from what I heard from a report from the BBC. The RATP had to convince the unions that operators would be assigned to other lines. I'm sure it was not that easy.

The next line that could be automated in Paris is Line 4, the second busiest in their system. It won't be pretty if the union stages an uphill fight.

For NYC, I can see the unions staging an uphill battle against automation as well.

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No, there would still be a driver but he would not have to operate the train (He will only control the depart at station).
The CBTC for Canarsie line is not a full driverless operation system like line 1 or 14 of Paris metro.
I heard that this was going to be the case for the Canarsie line. What the RATP in Paris refers to as ATO basically.
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Old March 11th, 2013, 08:18 PM   #2146
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For NYC, I can see the unions staging an uphill battle against automation as well.
Yep.. they just don't want to give up a single job. If it is ever built perhaps some sort of compromise can be made. Such as a guarantee of union positions i.e. jobs..
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Old March 11th, 2013, 08:20 PM   #2147
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I've completely missed this but what in the hell happened to the new station and what do they mean by completely rebuild?!
http://www.mta.info/nyct/service/Res...rryStation.htm
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Old March 12th, 2013, 12:04 AM   #2148
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NYC Subway Ridership At 62 Year High, Despite Sandy Disruptions
By Andrea Bernstein | 03/11/2013 – 12:22 pm



"New York City’s subway ridership rose 0.8% in 2012, despite storm Sandy-related shut downs and service disruptions. According to figures released by the NY MTA Monday, some 1.654 billion riders rode the subways in 2012, 13.7 million more trips than in 2011.

Weekend ridership grew by 3 percent, matching the all-time historic high for weekend ridership set in 1946...

...The system was shut for two days around storm Sandy. Eight tunnels flooded, and many lines from Brooklyn to Manhattan were shut for a week. The system is still not completely restored..."
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Old March 20th, 2013, 03:24 AM   #2149
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Old March 20th, 2013, 08:34 AM   #2150
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One more renewed station?
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Old March 20th, 2013, 08:57 AM   #2151
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That's right.

Here is the information:

"A rededication ceremony was held on Fri., March 15, 2013 at the East 180th St. station on the 2 & 5 lines in the Bronx after extensive renovation and restoration work was done. The main structure of the station was built in 1912 as part of the defunct New York, Westchester & Boston Railway, a portion of which was turned into the Dyre Ave. line by the Transit Authority in 1940."

In my opinion this is one of the most beautiful subway stations in New York, and it helps that it wasn't built as a subway station. It is a graceful station but located in the middle of a poor neighborhood far away from any tourist attractions with the exception of the zoo.

At the opposite end of the scale is Bowery Station:


http://www.subwaynut.com/bmt/boweryj/p2.php

Among the dirtiest of all subway stations, it is scheduled to be cleaned for the first time in 99 years during the first Fastracks on the J train, scheduled for April 1-April 5, 2013:
http://www.mta.info/nyct/service/fastrack_schedule.htm
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Old March 20th, 2013, 09:00 AM   #2152
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I think that the most beautiful station in NYC is closed station near Downtown( I don't remember it's name).
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That's right, the old City Hall station is also a pretty station.
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Old March 20th, 2013, 09:16 AM   #2154
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Yes, it is. Are there any chances that it will be opened again?
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Old March 20th, 2013, 11:16 AM   #2155
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Yes, it is. Are there any chances that it will be opened again?
Only for select tours....
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Yes, it is. Are there any chances that it will be opened again?
The problem with it, is that it was designed when cars were shorter (if I'm not mistaken) so it can't handle the current, longer, length of the modern train sets - because it has a rather strong curve near the platform.

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Old March 20th, 2013, 04:25 PM   #2157
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At the opposite end of the scale is Bowery Station:
Yep.. and the Bowery station has been in operation since August 4th 1913..and yes it needs an upgrade!
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Old March 20th, 2013, 05:52 PM   #2158
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The problem with it, is that it was designed when cars were shorter (if I'm not mistaken) so it can't handle the current, longer, length of the modern train sets - because it has a rather strong curve near the platform.
So, maybe they could renovate or upgrade it to the present standards?
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City HAll station is also non-ADA compliant and thus can't be reopened.
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Old March 21st, 2013, 07:45 PM   #2160
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i'm sorry but this whole metro (trains+stations) don't take me at all
I regret no serious mega project metro renovation for such a big city.
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