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Old February 25th, 2014, 09:19 PM   #2521
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Then how was New York City able to build subways five times as fast a 100 years ago than today. And not only that, back then everything was done by hand and no automated machines.
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Old February 25th, 2014, 10:20 PM   #2522
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Old February 26th, 2014, 02:07 AM   #2523
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Then how was New York City able to build subways five times as fast a 100 years ago than today. And not only that, back then everything was done by hand and no automated machines.
Ah yes, damn machines slowing us down :-p
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Old February 26th, 2014, 02:37 AM   #2524
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Odd question, why exactly are they so intent on keeping the rolling stock the same?
Or, rather, why not opt for a different style in new rolling stock (something that looks a bit more "modern")?



Not necessarily speaking of articulated train-sets in this instance, but more about the actual design. Is it solely a symbolic gesture (that it's easily identifiable)? That doesn't strike me as a strong reason, but I can't think of anything else.
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Old February 26th, 2014, 03:48 AM   #2525
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Odd question, why exactly are they so intent on keeping the rolling stock the same?
Or, rather, why not opt for a different style in new rolling stock (something that looks a bit more "modern")?



Not necessarily speaking of articulated train-sets in this instance, but more about the actual design. Is it solely a symbolic gesture (that it's easily identifiable)? That doesn't strike me as a strong reason, but I can't think of anything else.
I would have to say that it is, yes, a symbolic gesture. The trains have remained the same for the past 50 years up until the R142 stock and then you could see a little difference in appearance. It is simple, it has worked, why change it in my opinion.

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Old February 26th, 2014, 10:52 AM   #2526
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Well, I think, new trains look rather good. They are not perfect, but they look ok( especially from inside).
BTW we can expect a new design from the trains which are going to arrive in 2015...
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Old February 26th, 2014, 10:00 PM   #2527
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... The trains have remained the same for the past 50 years up until the R142 stock and then you could see a little difference in appearance. It is simple, it has worked, why change it in my opinion.
As homo sapiens we used to live in caves for thousands of years.
It was simple, it has worked, why the heck did we change it?
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Old February 26th, 2014, 11:12 PM   #2528
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The problem is because we are SO concern about trains safety and security, that we make all trains looks like 1960's crawled into NYC subway and died. We have no skills in creating something that looks good.
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Old February 26th, 2014, 11:25 PM   #2529
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The problem is because we are SO concern about trains safety and security, that we make all trains looks like 1960's crawled into NYC subway and died. We have no skills in creating something that looks good.
Isn't the current rolling stock Alstom/Kawasaki?
It seems we always have to design something in odd manners, rather than taking a current "product." I was just wondering why. Visually, and if you've spoken to people who are visiting you know, the current design makes the subway look really out of date (even if many lines now are using new cars).
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Old February 26th, 2014, 11:41 PM   #2530
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Honestly, I think the subway authority (and New Yorkers) prefer the aesthetic of the old silver trains, rather than some sleek Simens train. Replacing the cars on the subway itself would be like replacing the cable cars of San Francisco with modern light rail cars.
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Old February 27th, 2014, 01:13 AM   #2531
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As homo sapiens we used to live in caves for thousands of years.
It was simple, it has worked, why the heck did we change it?
I did not realize the APPEARANCE of a perfectly capable train would be beneficial to service if it was changed. Now if the trains performed at a low level, then of course. Strictly speaking of the appearance here mate.
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Old February 27th, 2014, 01:17 AM   #2532
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Contemporary train design would contrast too much with barely functional state of many stations.
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Contemporary train design would contrast too much with barely functional state of many stations.
That's like saying one shouldn't lose weight because he'd no longer fit in his clothes...
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Old February 27th, 2014, 01:23 AM   #2534
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No, wearing very expensive shoes with a cheap suit is a more appropriate analogy.
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Old February 27th, 2014, 01:23 AM   #2535
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The problem is because we are SO concern about trains safety and security, that we make all trains looks like 1960's crawled into NYC subway and died. We have no skills in creating something that looks good.
I'm not so sure, if the MTA thought the current stock was unsafe taking into the fact of the sheer amount of people who ride the system daily, they would certainly invest in a whole new train system. Who knows though, the design may have no improvement if this was the case.
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Old February 27th, 2014, 01:43 AM   #2536
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NYC Subway trains are epic, simple but epic. More epic were the Redbirds, too bad they're gone.
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Old February 27th, 2014, 05:41 AM   #2537
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Old February 27th, 2014, 03:33 PM   #2538
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No, wearing very expensive shoes with a cheap suit is a more appropriate analogy.
I never said they should choose more "expensive" looking cars or that the current ones looks "cheap".

You're assuming a different (arguably, more attractive) design would be more expensive. If anything, it'd likely save them the costs of having to have specially designed rolling stock.
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Old February 27th, 2014, 04:38 PM   #2539
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Second subway won't open until July 2017 or 2018. (another disaster)
Planned opening date of the first phase of the SAS is December 2016. Unless you have a reliable source that states otherwise, that's the date I'll go by.

About the rolling stock: the current trains have always struck me as a perfect fit for the subway: tough, shiny and quite timeless. Of course, they could always opt for an off-the-shelf train, like Alstom's Metropolis.
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