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Old February 27th, 2014, 09:39 PM   #2541
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That's an FTA estimate. However, it's the MTA that's building the SAS. Of course, with the MTA it's never guaranteed that said deadlines will be made, but let's be optimistic for once and hope December 2016 will indeed be the first time we'll be able to ride the first small leg of the SAS.
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Old February 28th, 2014, 01:02 AM   #2542
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Damn if Phase I wont open until 2018, then when will the entire be completed?

At this rate, it wont be complete till 2050.
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Old February 28th, 2014, 06:42 AM   #2543
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Damn if Phase I wont open until 2018, then when will the entire be completed?

At this rate, it wont be complete till 2050.
The other phases may not be so time consuming and depending on how the economy is during the completion of Phase I and the turn of the decade, that could expedite the process. I see 2025 as a reasonable completion date.
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Old March 1st, 2014, 01:58 AM   #2544
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Old March 1st, 2014, 08:50 AM   #2545
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Did you even bother to read his question?

In response to Mercenary, it could be much much longer than that. Say 2070 or even worse... not in anyones lifetime. Michael Horodniceanu said in a interview in late 2011 that phase 2,3, and 4 would be for "our children and grandchildren."
Just for the record..2025 was my estimate for Phase I. Just to be clear.
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Old March 1st, 2014, 12:22 PM   #2546
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Wow Subsequence, who beat you with the pessimism stick?
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Old March 1st, 2014, 06:41 PM   #2547
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Wow Subsequence, who beat you with the pessimism stick?

de Blasio .
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Old March 1st, 2014, 06:48 PM   #2548
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Ah, he got Billed
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Old March 3rd, 2014, 05:12 AM   #2549
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Old March 4th, 2014, 02:59 AM   #2551
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Regarding Bill De Blasio,

He is a touchy subject when it comes to public transportation. Him, being a driver, did not discuss work about future phases of the subway. Instead he supported the idea of money devoted to more bus rapid transit and free East River bridges, and refused to discuss about the second subway. He appointees aren't pro-transit either.

Lastly, the governor is a driver himself. Will he allocate funds for another phase or will he slash funds (from the MTA) as he has been doing for the past 3 years? Will he also win this years election?
Cuomo has his eyes on 2016, doubt he will run again. In the long run de Blasio will have to give in, the subway is too valuable and the statistics show it is used far more than the any bus system would be.
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Old March 4th, 2014, 05:06 PM   #2552
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Him, being a driver, did not discuss work about future phases of the subway.
Drivers should be the main proponents of subway expansion, as subways take buses and cars off the road, leaving more space for drivers.
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Old March 4th, 2014, 05:19 PM   #2553
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Cuomo has his eyes on 2016, doubt he will run again. In the long run de Blasio will have to give in, the subway is too valuable and the statistics show it is used far more than the any bus system would be.
You're not from the NY area. That's not how it works at all. The state legislature is constantly gutting funding for public transit and needs aggressive attention from the city to make sure funding stays in place for current service, let alone expanding it. De Blasio's at best tepid support for transit certainly won't result in any further expansions; he won't even be willing to take maintaining the current state of funding to Albany.

How important the subway doesn't factor into any politicians' considerations. They know the MTA will get blamed for the politicians' shortcomings.
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Old March 4th, 2014, 10:36 PM   #2554
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Will they ever connect Staten Island subway to brooklyn or Manhattan, via underground tunnels
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Old March 4th, 2014, 10:41 PM   #2555
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probably not, considering how expensive it would be
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Old March 4th, 2014, 11:39 PM   #2556
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Yes, the Second Avenue subway phases 2 through 4 are many years in the future - the Warren Wilhelm, Jr. Second Avenue Memorial Subway may be the name when it is all complete.
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Old March 5th, 2014, 02:12 AM   #2557
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Drivers should be the main proponents of subway expansion, as subways take buses and cars off the road, leaving more space for drivers.
Unless NY slipped into a parallel universe this is not the case - car users in general favour cars>train>tram>bus>bike>walking. Especially as NYC had a 24/7 subway. The biggest modal shift when a subway opens is drivers switching to cheaper, more convenient public transport. Perhaps the above is slightly less distinct in the US than the UK as we have a strong culture for riding the subway/buses (and a stronger culture against drink driving) but a new subway line should not be aimed at removing buses at all..
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Old March 5th, 2014, 02:36 AM   #2558
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You're not from the NY area. That's not how it works at all. The state legislature is constantly gutting funding for public transit and needs aggressive attention from the city to make sure funding stays in place for current service, let alone expanding it. De Blasio's at best tepid support for transit certainly won't result in any further expansions; he won't even be willing to take maintaining the current state of funding to Albany.

How important the subway doesn't factor into any politicians' considerations. They know the MTA will get blamed for the politicians' shortcomings.
Considering that the vast majority of NYC residents and commuters utilize the subway, I don't see how politicians can put off expanding the capacity of the existing system without a lot of backlash.

How much do you want to bet De Blasio won't get a second term?

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Considering that the vast majority of NYC residents and commuters utilize the subway, I don't see how politicians can put off expanding the capacity of the existing system without a lot of backlash.
Unfortunately, that's not even remotely close to how it works. The public wants an expanded system in theory but doesn't want to pay for it, opposes disruptions from construction and resists even reasonable transit projects that might cause some minor inconvenience in their lives. More importantly, the public is just too completely zoned out and clueless on transit issues to even understand politicians' positions. Certainly virtually no one knows that de Blasio said that as mayor he would consider removing the Midtown pedestrian plazas because "they disrupt car traffic" (paraphrasing) -- and that was said during the primary campaign.

Before the 7 line expansion and SAS, the last new stations to open that were not replacements for other stations opened in the 1980s (Lexington Ave-63rd St, Roosevelt Island and 21st St-Queensbridge), and before that, the 1930s.

All the politicians who actively worked to kill the N to LaGuardia plan in the 1990s were re-elected, and many of them went on to higher office. The free-metrocards-for-schoolkids program, which was originally to be funded in equal parts by the city, the state and the MTA (though why the MTA and not school officials were paying for kids to go to school, I'll never understand) was de-funded by the state in 2009, and the city has refused to increase its contribution from 1/3 of the cost in the first year even as more students enrolled, so the MTA now bears over 70% of the costs of what is effectively providing school buses. Again, no consequences for the politicians. There are hordes of politicians lining up behind the beyond-moronic idea of the Queensway, which is currently getting tens of millions of dollars from the state to study why what works for Chelsea won't work for Ozone Park, though at least admirably a handful of politicians have spoken in favor of rail re-activation--not that they would ever budget money for such a thing, of course.

I could go on. Do not expect the public to ever hold politicians accountable for their terrible transit records. Quite the reverse, actually. Complaining about construction, about costs, about the dangers of bike lanes to motorists, etc. continues to be a route to re-election and higher office, even in the city itself.

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How much do you want to bet De Blasio won't get a second term?
I won't call myself a big fan of de Blasio (though generally sympathetic to Democrats, at least nationally--locally the Democratic Party has a lot of problems), but at this point I think it is quite likely that he will be re-elected. Defeating him, either in a primary or a general election, would require the sort of extreme backlash that only a truly disastrous first term could generate, and we're not anywhere close to disaster at the moment. That could change, but I don't really expect it to. In fact, I think in 2017, de Blasio will face his main opposition from the left, among people who think he betrayed them by not simultaneously stopping all new construction in the city and lowering their rent. It was never going to be possible for him to live up to the desires of the people who nominated him, and he will be the "right-wing establishment" candidate against some moonbat in 2017.
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Old March 5th, 2014, 10:20 AM   #2560
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You're not from the NY area. That's not how it works at all. The state legislature is constantly gutting funding for public transit and needs aggressive attention from the city to make sure funding stays in place for current service, let alone expanding it. De Blasio's at best tepid support for transit certainly won't result in any further expansions; he won't even be willing to take maintaining the current state of funding to Albany.

How important the subway doesn't factor into any politicians' considerations. They know the MTA will get blamed for the politicians' shortcomings.
I do have family in the City though....I hear the concerns every week. I still disagree with you though, if the residents demand it and MTA questions it, Bill will have his day. It is called "re-election".
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