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Old September 13th, 2015, 10:34 PM   #3261
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It is true.

A PATH extension from Secaucus to Hoboken is far better than a MTA Subway extension to New Jersey. With this, a new tunnel under North River would not be necessary.
Ummm , the New Tunnels under the Hudson are for Intercity, High Speed , Commuter rail. The PATH train tubes are in decent condition. I would rather see the 7 if it were extended into New Jersey connect to Hoboken Terminal with a few stops in Hoboken itself. The Bus Line between Hoboken & Midtown is over capacity and the PATH only goes aswell far as 33rd Street. A Extension to Secaucus is a waste due to the fact that all Rail Service terminates at Hoboken...
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Old September 13th, 2015, 10:49 PM   #3262
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Ummm , the New Tunnels under the Hudson are for Intercity, High Speed , Commuter rail. The PATH train tubes are in decent condition. I would rather see the 7 if it were extended into New Jersey connect to Hoboken Terminal with a few stops in Hoboken itself. The Bus Line between Hoboken & Midtown is over capacity and the PATH only goes aswell far as 33rd Street. A Extension to Secaucus is a waste due to the fact that all Rail Service terminates at Hoboken...

I think that the 7 extension is also contingent on the Port Authority Building New Bus terminal in Seacaucus. But ya it does seem at bit extensive, though I do think if it is built it would be as smart idea to extend the Path from Hoboken so I could piggy back on the extension and northern Jersey could benefit from that
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Old September 13th, 2015, 10:53 PM   #3263
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Yes, but 7 has a high ridership. So, I don't thing a 7 Line Extension for Hoboken could be a good idea...

A new PATH Tunnel between Hoboken and 33th Street via Hudson Yards can be a nice alternative for 7 Extension to NJ. This PATH tube could have two new stations:

- Hoboken 14th Street
- Hudson Yards (connection with MTA 7 Line)

With this, PATH trains to Midtown would operate in a "loop service", with a better service for riders. This new service could relieve Penn Station and some NJ Transit commuter rail services.
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Old September 13th, 2015, 11:42 PM   #3264
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Yes, but 7 has a high ridership. So, I don't thing a 7 Line Extension for Hoboken could be a good idea...

A new PATH Tunnel between Hoboken and 33th Street via Hudson Yards can be a nice alternative for 7 Extension to NJ. This PATH tube could have two new stations:

- Hoboken 14th Street
- Hudson Yards (connection with MTA 7 Line)

With this, PATH trains to Midtown would operate in a "loop service", with a better service for riders. This new service could relieve Penn Station and some NJ Transit commuter rail services.
Depends on what direction the Ridership is going , all the Ridership is Midtown bound... Most of the 7 Ridership is not Manhattan but in Queens so Hoboken wouldn't be an issue. I rather see everything funneled into Hoboken including the New Bus Terminal...Hoboken Terminal is massive and underused...
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Really, Hoboken could receive some NJT commuter buses that nowadays run to PABT.
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Really, Hoboken could receive some NJT commuter buses that nowadays run to PABT.
You could build a New Terminal on the Jersey City side which just off the New Jersey Turnpike. The 7 could run through the heart of Hoboken with a few stops before the Terminal.
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Yes, with this scheme:




With a bus terminal in Secaucus, PABT could be used only for Greyhound, Trailways, Peter Pan, NJT express buses, Academy, Megabus, dollar vans and some MTA express buses to Long Island.
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Old September 14th, 2015, 12:17 AM   #3268
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With a bus terminal in Secaucus, PABT could be used only for Greyhound, Trailways, Peter Pan, NJT express buses, Academy, Megabus, dollar vans and some MTA express buses to Long Island.
Nothing else should be built in Secaucus which is a swamp. MTA buses do not service Long Island anymore.
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Old September 14th, 2015, 12:23 AM   #3269
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Ah, and is there space on NJT tracks between Secaucus and Tonnelle Ave for MTA 7 line on surface?
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Old September 14th, 2015, 12:44 AM   #3270
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Isn't the simpler solution to simply rationalize the PATH and NYC Subway (e.g. extend the 7 to Hoboken, and route some trains to the WTC and others to Newark, "Hoboken-33rd" could be designated the "8" and would be the line to get expanded into Hoboken)?

Then again, I don't know much about the actual scheduling, so I'm sure it would work. Just a thought exercise...


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Old September 14th, 2015, 01:07 AM   #3271
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I don't think they move bus terminal to NJ. Ever.
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Old September 14th, 2015, 01:09 AM   #3272
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I don't think they move bus terminal to NJ. Ever.
In this case, it would be a bus terminal in NJ for some commuter buses.

NJT express commuter buses, Greyhound, Trailways, Coach USA, Peter Pan, dollar vans and Academy would continue to use PABT.
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Old September 14th, 2015, 01:35 AM   #3273
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The first 34 St. - Hudson Yards videos are up on youtube
Very surprised to not see any 'stand right, move left' signs on the escalator, considering these are the longest escalators in the system.
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Old September 14th, 2015, 01:43 AM   #3274
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Isn't the simpler solution to simply rationalize the PATH and NYC Subway (e.g. extend the 7 to Hoboken, and route some trains to the WTC and others to Newark, "Hoboken-33rd" could be designated the "8" and would be the line to get expanded into Hoboken)?

Then again, I don't know much about the actual scheduling, so I'm sure it would work. Just a thought exercise...


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Hum, it's an another nice idea.

With MTA 7 line and PATH, Hoboken could be the terminal for some NEC commuter trains, relieving Penn Station.
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Why MTA didn't install PED's (Platform screen doors) in this new station?

Here in Sao Paulo, some subway stations have PED's and all stations will have these doors.


http://www.insidesaopaulo.com/2011/0...ine-metro.html
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Lack of funding and different rolling stocks operating along the same line.
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Ah, I understood.

In this line, MTA operates R62A and R188 trainsets and they are different a little.
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Was about to say the same thing.
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By the way, MTA has a rolling stock with 15 types of trains: R142, R142A, R188, R62, R62A, R143, R160A, R160B, R68, R68A, R46, R44, R32 and R32A. They have 6 (IRT) or 8 (IND/BMT) doors per car.

These trains can operate in any MTA subway line?
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