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Old December 5th, 2015, 09:09 AM   #3381
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Recently I have been getting addicted to NYC subway videos, I have never seen a full scale video detailing how the subway operates or a ride along until now.
Don't start dreaming buffaboy, your city is slowly turning it's LRT back into a road
and your cousins in Rochester fill in their subway

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Old December 6th, 2015, 12:38 AM   #3382
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Old December 6th, 2015, 12:51 AM   #3383
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Don't start dreaming buffaboy, your city is slowly turning it's LRT back into a road
and your cousins in Rochester fill in their subway

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What they SHOULD do is disregard the water table and build the subway underneath it. They should engineer a fix for it, but they won't.
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Old December 6th, 2015, 01:00 AM   #3384
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I don't follow. For Buffalo to move the metro below grade to have a full road and transit on the same alignment, or Rochester to go below the already under street level Erie canal? I've never heard of either being a thing. Or are you retorting with Miami, where the real water table problems are?
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Old December 6th, 2015, 02:57 PM   #3385
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Really? this is biggest joke ever. Is this best we can do in 21st century?
The PATH has 1 or 2 useless people staffed on the platform at each station...paided rather well considering they do nothing...
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Old December 7th, 2015, 12:17 AM   #3386
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MTA Will Test Open Subway Cars as the Subway of the Future

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Old December 7th, 2015, 02:20 AM   #3387
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It really makes a difference even a single digit increase in capacity is significant multiplied over all those higher frequency long trains. London is looking into it too. The new "Miami Subway" (Metrorail) cars being built I don't believe will have this. Not sure why. Maybe because the exta capacity is far from needed and wouldn't justify the extra cost. It really opens up the atmosphere and makes getting away from the bumless joes easier and a greater sense of safety in numbers with more people in the same contiguous space on that almost empty late night train. Patrolling trains will be easier and more successful for same reason that they won't have to skip between cars like the buskers at stations.
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Old December 7th, 2015, 02:43 AM   #3388
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20 years after Europe we finally catching on
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Old December 7th, 2015, 04:08 AM   #3389
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I don't follow. For Buffalo to move the metro below grade to have a full road and transit on the same alignment, or Rochester to go below the already under street level Erie canal? I've never heard of either being a thing. Or are you retorting with Miami, where the real water table problems are?
No, when the Metro Rail subway was first proposed, the lower 1/3 wasn't feasible:

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This alternative would involve reconstructing the existing aboveground LRRT system in the Project Area to an underground system and restoring two-way traffic above it along Main Street.

This alternative was considered in the original EIS for the Buffalo LRRT system and eliminated because of the high water table and structurally unstable subsurface soils in this area. Further, it would incur significant costs for utility relocations and underpinning the Marine Midland (renamed HSBC) Tower (USDOT, 1977). These same conditions would still apply today. For these reasons, the alternative of undergrounding the LRRT system through the Project Area was eliminated from further consideration.
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Old December 7th, 2015, 04:29 AM   #3390
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20 years after Europe we finally catch on

yeah


the triple pole is still 10 years away...
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It really opens up the atmosphere and makes getting away from the bumless joes easier
I think that would be actually the only disadvantage of long, open trains. Some homeless people in NYC subway stinks so much that nobody wants to ride in the same car with them. Can you imagine the same situation in that new open train? It will be like stretch limo on tracks for one hobo
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Old December 7th, 2015, 09:59 AM   #3392
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Well even more incentive for the city to do its damnedest about the rising homeless problem and as afore mentioned allows for easier car patrols
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Old December 7th, 2015, 11:16 AM   #3393
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Toronto has open gangways on the Yonge-University Line.
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[QUOTE= Or are you retorting with Miami, where the real water table problems are? [/QUOTE]

in all of Holland the water table is no problem. The Amsterdam Subway tunnels and Rotterdam Subway tunnels are well below the water table, no problem, no leakage. Somewhat more expensive to build, but when well enigineered no problem. In Miami it should not be a problem at all.
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But the soil is wimpier and the "bedrock" is porous limestone the only thing that pierces the 0ft AMSL level without saltwater intrusion actually being there is the Biscayne Aquifer and they are worried about that going at some point. In Holland they can build dykes and the water doesn't come up through the ground as it does/would in Miami Beach/Miami. So the subway wouldn't have to be built to maybe be holding back liquid water in some places some time it would literally have to be built like an underwater tunnel sitting on the seabed. It has never been cited as a serious consideration nobody has questioned that it wouldn't be feasible within reason. Remember this is Florida where public transport is sad and underutilized the last thing they're going to get is the best of the best. Even NYC doesn't get that. They've got the best of '04 technology.



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Shall we return a few states back north? I'm sure this conversation can also be continued in the appropiate topic.
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Those seats look veery comfortable .
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Preliminary data shows the Metropolitan Transportation Authority (MTA) reached a new modern record when 6,217,621 customers entered the MTA New York City Transit subway system on Thursday, October 29, 2015. The subway system carried 50,000 more customers that day than at its previous record peak, just one year earlier.

“The relentless growth in subway ridership shows how this century-old network is critical to New York’s future,” said MTA Chairman and CEO Thomas F. Prendergast. “Our challenge is to maintain and improve the subways even as growing ridership puts more demands on the system. We are doing it thanks to the MTA Capital Program, which will allow us to bring meaningful improvements to our customers, such as real time arrival information on the lettered subway lines, cleaner and brighter stations with new technology like Help Points, modern signal systems, and almost 1,000 new subway cars.”

The new modern ridership record was set on the last Thursday in October, traditionally one of the system’s busiest days. The previous record of 6,167,165 was set Thursday, October 30, 2014. The new record day was one of five days in October when ridership exceeded the prior year’s record, and was one of 15 weekdays with ridership above 6 million. Daily subway ridership records have been kept since 1985, but the new record is believed to be the highest since the late 1940s.

October 2015’s average weekday subway ridership of 5.974 million was the highest of any month in over 45 years, and was 1.4% higher than October 2014. Approximately 80,000 more customers rode the subway on an average October 2015 weekday than just a year earlier – enough to fill more than 50 fully-loaded subway trains.

Ridership surged on the weekends as well,
with the average weekend ridership higher than any October in over 45 years. On Saturday, October 31, 2015, the day of the Village Halloween Parade and a Mets World Series game, 3,730,881 customers rode the subway – making it the fifth-busiest Saturday on recent record.

Ridership continues to spike in Northern Brooklyn, where portions of the A SubwayC SubwayG SubwayJ SubwayM SubwayZ Subway and L Subway lines have added a weekday average of 14,733 customers since September 2014. The system has seen substantial growth south of Chambers St in Lower Manhattan, with more than new 12,357 daily customers added in the last year as new commercial and office continues to open in the area.

Between 2010 and 2014, the subway system has added 440,638 daily customers, roughly the equivalent of the entire population of mid-sized cities like Miami, Fla. or Raleigh, N.C. More customers have led to additional crowding on some lines, creating conditions in which trains are more likely to be delayed, and delayed trains in turn affect more customers than in the past.

As ridership continues to soar, performing necessary maintenance and improvement work while providing good service has become a growing challenge. Work that is typically done overnight and on weekends now affects more riders as ridership grows during these off-peak hours.

The MTA has introduced short-term measures to improve train service this year, including Platform Controllers at strategic locations to help move customers on and off trains quickly, “step aside” boxes to encourage letting customers off the train before boarding, and staging more maintenance crews in locations to respond to problems quickly.

In the longer term, the MTA is adding subway capacity by installing communications-based train control (CBTC), a modern signaling system that allows trains to operate more closely together. CBTC is in operation on the L Subway line and is being installed on the 7 Subway line, while the next MTA Capital Program will expand CBTC work on the Queens Blvd E SubwayF SubwayM SubwayR Subway and 8 Av A SubwayC SubwayE Subway lines in Manhattan and the F Subway line in Brooklyn.

When the first phase of the Second Avenue Subway is completed next year, it will serve more than 200,000 customers each day and decrease crowding on the adjacent 4 Subway5 Subway6 Subway lines by as much as 13%, or 23,500 fewer customers on an average weekday.
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