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Old January 5th, 2016, 03:17 AM   #3461
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EXETENTION TO BROOKLYN LINKING IT TO UTICA AVENUE!!!
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Old January 5th, 2016, 03:39 AM   #3462
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EXETENTION TO BROOKLYN LINKING IT TO UTICA AVENUE!!!
Extend it down and around back up to the E-line terminus at the WTC. That will fit the missing link from where the Els were demolished.
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Old January 5th, 2016, 04:37 AM   #3463
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EXETENTION TO BROOKLYN LINKING IT TO UTICA AVENUE!!!
I was going to saw use the J train alignment instead of building a new tunnel... I think with rising water levels in lower Manhattan to have the alignment so close to the river is stupid... I think it should continue into Brookyln via the R train & A train to Utica Ave and a new line under Utica Ave to Flatlands. I would also like to see the C train extended to Ozone Park-Lefferts Boulevard and the line itself extended to York College in Jamaica.
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Old January 5th, 2016, 06:40 AM   #3464
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Fascinating!
Are you suggesting it piggy backs onto the Nassau street line, then piggy backs through the Montague tunnels, then express on the Fulton line to Utica avenue and then a new line on Utica.
If so I did not think of that, I thought that creating a second line to service Southern and North-east Queens, that would piggy back thought the Roosevelt Island tunnels and join up at 55th St and Travel down to Hanover Square, while the T service would divert and join up with the F train Again at East Broadway piggy back on the Rutger St. Tunnels and then Switch over to the Fulton line at Jay St.-Metro Tech leading then run express to Utica Avenue leading to its own line there.

The foreseeable problems with both scenarios,
A) The city deciding not to use the Fulton Line as the starting point for the Utica Ave Line and instead electing to extend the Eastern Parkway line in some fashion
B) The Tower Dude Proposal will require much more tunneling done in Manhattan also for new lines in Queens which will meet resistance from queens residence and the MTA because of the length of the new Route with the future addition of a Bronx spur finally it would take up capacity at Jay street, in the Rutger St. Tubes, and on the Culver lines; and for the sake argument if the city decides on a subway extension to SI and uses the IND's Second System Plan as a base board it would require the capacity on all of the aforementioned as the (potential) Fort Hamilton line and Narrows tubes would need the capacity.
C) The Nexis Plan would require less tunneling in Manhattan more in Brooklyn though the lack of "Shiny New" Stations in Lower Manhattan may (will) lead to cries and wailing about the disparate spending of the MTA leading to resistance of that plan. Also a connection from the BMT Fourth Avenue line to the Fulton St. Line could be very complicated, though a new station in downtown Brooklyn might be a good idea.
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Old January 5th, 2016, 06:49 AM   #3465
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The Fulton Center should be marble plated.
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Old January 5th, 2016, 07:34 AM   #3466
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Why?
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Old January 5th, 2016, 08:01 AM   #3467
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MTA has built such a large station. They should find some artificial marble instead of tiles. It would improve the perceived cost effectiveness of the project.

Edit: Just like those art deco buildings in the old days.

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Old January 5th, 2016, 08:03 AM   #3468
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MTA has built such a large station. They should find some artificial marble instead of tiles. It would improve the perceived cost effectiveness of the project.
The project is completed though , so all that would be is a waste of money.
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Old January 5th, 2016, 12:39 PM   #3469
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Yeah, just looking at the NYC mta website now, it looks like a cheap online shopping site where I'd probably get a virus from clicking on anything. Paris has a pretty ugly one as well. I really like montreal's (http://www.stm.info/en) website.
http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/showthread.php?t=219956

The bottom section looks a bit messy.
The navigation bar can be more attractive.
Perhaps they can also add the full name along with the MTA logo.

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Old January 5th, 2016, 05:52 PM   #3470
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I have one question, with the 7 train extension, the NYC Subway has reached now 375.8 km (233.5 mi) of routes. But in the past there were more EL lines, some were replaced with subway lines, some other not, but also some new subway lines have been built. Does anybody know if sometime in the past the system was longer? If so, how long and when was the peak of lenght.
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I have one question, with the 7 train extension, the NYC Subway has reached now 375.8 km (233.5 mi) of routes. But in the past there were more EL lines, some were replaced with subway lines, some other not, but also some new subway lines have been built. Does anybody know if sometime in the past the system was longer? If so, how long and when was the peak of lenght.
I suspect that the peak was reached about 1938, before the demolition of the 6th Avenue EL.
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Old January 6th, 2016, 01:11 AM   #3472
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To be fair though to help you sleep at night, one mile of Subway is worth about two miles of el in qual and quantitative value.
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Old January 6th, 2016, 02:32 AM   #3473
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To be fair though to help you sleep at night, one mile of Subway is worth about two miles of el in qual and quantitative value.
Depends on the Subway and El. The Broadway El in Brooklyn/Queens is at least as good as the 14th St. Canarsie subway line.
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Old January 6th, 2016, 02:47 PM   #3474
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Fascinating!
Are you suggesting it piggy backs onto the Nassau street line, then piggy backs through the Montague tunnels, then express on the Fulton line to Utica avenue and then a new line on Utica.
If so I did not think of that, I thought that creating a second line to service Southern and North-east Queens, that would piggy back thought the Roosevelt Island tunnels and join up at 55th St and Travel down to Hanover Square, while the T service would divert and join up with the F train Again at East Broadway piggy back on the Rutger St. Tunnels and then Switch over to the Fulton line at Jay St.-Metro Tech leading then run express to Utica Avenue leading to its own line there.

The foreseeable problems with both scenarios,
A) The city deciding not to use the Fulton Line as the starting point for the Utica Ave Line and instead electing to extend the Eastern Parkway line in some fashion
B) The Tower Dude Proposal will require much more tunneling done in Manhattan also for new lines in Queens which will meet resistance from queens residence and the MTA because of the length of the new Route with the future addition of a Bronx spur finally it would take up capacity at Jay street, in the Rutger St. Tubes, and on the Culver lines; and for the sake argument if the city decides on a subway extension to SI and uses the IND's Second System Plan as a base board it would require the capacity on all of the aforementioned as the (potential) Fort Hamilton line and Narrows tubes would need the capacity.
C) The Nexis Plan would require less tunneling in Manhattan more in Brooklyn though the lack of "Shiny New" Stations in Lower Manhattan may (will) lead to cries and wailing about the disparate spending of the MTA leading to resistance of that plan. Also a connection from the BMT Fourth Avenue line to the Fulton St. Line could be very complicated, though a new station in downtown Brooklyn might be a good idea.
I know the PATH+LEX concept is completely and utterly dead, but is it technically possible to extend tracks through the south end of the WTC campus to meet up with the RW at Cortlandt (something tells me no on this one) or the tail end of Phase 4 of SAS at Hannover to achieve a similar end?

And, while we're on the subject of integrating the two, since there are supposed plans to include another extension of the 7 with Gateway, why not go further and connect to PATH at 33rd - unless it's a technical impossibility?
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Old January 6th, 2016, 07:08 PM   #3476
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And, while we're on the subject of integrating the two, since there are supposed plans to include another extension of the 7 with Gateway, why not go further and connect to PATH at 33rd - unless it's a technical impossibility?

Ya I've often wondered about the exact details and the overall feasibility of the 7 extension myself but the 7 extension seems highly unlikely because it seems in most plans to be based on the very unlikely Penn Station South. Far more likely would be a reopening of the Gimble's passage after recent announcements of Penn Station Overhaul and whispers from Vornado concerning 15 Penn Plaza.
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Ya I've often wondered about the exact details and the overall feasibility of the 7 extension myself but the 7 extension seems highly unlikely because it seems in most plans to be based on the very unlikely Penn Station South. Far more likely would be a reopening of the Gimble's passage after recent announcements of Penn Station Overhaul and whispers from Vornado concerning 15 Penn Plaza.
Yeah, that makes sense. However, can't (and shouldn't) the 7 extension happen, regardless of Penn South?
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In theory though if its main function is to serve penn station then connection between the stations should be the utmost priority
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