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Old June 12th, 2016, 05:50 AM   #3761
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This is 125th Street


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Southern approach to 125th Street


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Old June 12th, 2016, 05:52 AM   #3762
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Old June 15th, 2016, 07:02 AM   #3763
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Old June 15th, 2016, 06:25 PM   #3764
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Old June 15th, 2016, 06:32 PM   #3765
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I would re-open the Nassau Loop and tighten bonds with Brooklyn for starters.

Bring back streetcars for local circulation.

Full build-out of the 2nd Ave Subway with 4 tracks. Have two tracks go to Brooklyn for the Court St. Shuttle (sorry museum) and have the other two swing over to meet up with the E line at World Trade Center.

More importantly, I would see two different four-track commuter rail tunnels under the Hudson. One, coming from the Bergen Arches, would carry the Erie lines, the Susquehanna, and the NYC West Shore Line. The other would come up from Communipaw and carry Raritan Valley, NJCL, MOM, West Trenton, National Docks/River Line, Newark, and other Central/South Jersey lines. The Erie lines would continue to Long Island, with a branch going up through Westchester and curving around to Piermont. The CoNJ line would go north and take over the re-opened NYW&B.

Finally, I would have the High Line extended south to about the WTC, and run a semi-express service up through Spuyten Duyvil and around out the Putnam/Getty Square branch.
MTA should run Nassau Street trains to Brooklyn.
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Old June 16th, 2016, 11:28 PM   #3766
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A poorly written press release seems to suggest that the would be extended to Whitehall Street in lower Manhattan overnight (it currently runs as a shuttle between 36th St (Sunset Park) and 95th St (Bay Ridge) late night).

Press release doesn't say when this will happen and cannot decide if this is finalized or proposed.

http://www.mta.info/news-r-r-train-r...ansfers-faster

http://www.mta.info/press-release/ny...vice-manhattan

I think the MTA should be embarrassed, ashamed and humiliated that it puts out trash like this. This is one of the largest transit agencies in the world, and I think most would agree with me when I say that a higher level of professionalism is expected.
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Old June 17th, 2016, 06:58 AM   #3767
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Southern approach to 125th Street
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Old June 18th, 2016, 12:12 AM   #3768
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Staten Island Railway

The Staten Island Railway, which uses the R44 model that has been retired from the regular MTA subway.



















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A poorly written press release seems to suggest that the would be extended to Whitehall Street in lower Manhattan overnight (it currently runs as a shuttle between 36th St (Sunset Park) and 95th St (Bay Ridge) late night).

Press release doesn't say when this will happen and cannot decide if this is finalized or proposed.

http://www.mta.info/news-r-r-train-r...ansfers-faster

http://www.mta.info/press-release/ny...vice-manhattan

I think the MTA should be embarrassed, ashamed and humiliated that it puts out trash like this. This is one of the largest transit agencies in the world, and I think most would agree with me when I say that a higher level of professionalism is expected.
The press releases have now been updated with the previously missing information. This will be presented as a recommendation to the MTA board and, if approved, will take effect fall 2016.

It will be a big year for Whitehall Street station, which will also see the return of the .
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Old June 18th, 2016, 09:33 AM   #3770
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Is it possible to run subway train on MNR & LIRR?
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Old June 18th, 2016, 03:53 PM   #3771
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Is it possible to run subway train on MNR & LIRR?
Myself i dont think so
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Old June 18th, 2016, 08:00 PM   #3772
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The Staten Island Railway, which uses the R44 model that has been retired from the regular MTA subway.

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Is it possible to run subway train on MNR & LIRR?
Metro-North operates the former New York Central electric lines, which use under-contact third rail. This is incompatible with the third rail shoes on subway cars. While it is possible to design a third rail shoe that can transition using a track-side device, it would be expensive and complex.

The Long Island Railroad, on the other hand, uses the same type of contact shoes as the subway, and direct operation is possible. The main issue is that while the subway uses 650V DC, the LIRR uses 750V DC.

However, they did formerly use the same voltage (650). The LIRR changed over in 1971-1972 with the introduction of the M1 rolling stock, which was higher-performance and enabled greater speed.

Just before the change-over was complete, in January and February of 1972, the subway did speed tests of the new R-44 rolling stock between Woodside and Jamaica.

http://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?7650

http://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?7649

These tests set what is apparently the current world speed record for subway cars: 87.75 mph (and the cars were still accelerating at the end of the test track).

http://nycsubway.org/wiki/R-44_(St._Louis,_1971-1973)

Furthermore, around the same time, delays in transitioning from the old 1920s SIRT ME-1 equipment to the new R-44s lead to several older LIRR MUs seeing service on Long Island:

http://nycsubway.org/perl/show?10566

There were also various run-through operations between the LIRR and the subway in the late 19th and early 20th centuries. However, these were dropped due to a mixture of insufficient track capacity (the subway was busy enough as it was), and concerns regarding the operation of relatively flimsy elevated cars in traffic with the increasingly hefty LIRR stock.

http://www.lirrhistory.com/joint.html

I won't go into all of them here, but there was originally supposed to be through operation from the LIRR Atlantic Terminal into the IRT system (the Brooklyn tunnels directly abut the LIRR). The two companies cooperated on early rolling stock design, and the very first LIRR MUs were built narrow to run on IRT track. This appears to have been dropped due to traffic issues.

http://www.lirrhistory.com/atlimp.html
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The flying junctions, flexible connections and the separation of local and express services of the RR, Elevated and Subway were amazing. The infrastructural freedom was unprecedented.
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Old June 19th, 2016, 08:53 AM   #3774
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That abandoned siding is at Nassau station.

The R32 operated once into Grand Central but with extensive modifications.
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Cool! Subwayish trains could be run on commuter RR if ridership warrants.
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That abandoned siding is at Nassau station.
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I have never heard this before? Was it a one-time thing where they towed it in for some commemoration? Are you perhaps thinking of the New Haven Washboard ignitron rectifier MUs?

http://nycsubway.org/perl/show?76592

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Cool! Subwayish trains could be run on commuter RR if ridership warrants.
Running a "subwayish" train is a simple matter of choosing what interior and door configuration you have on your rolling stock when you acquire it. Here is the original IRT fleet:

http://nycsubway.org/wiki/The_Interb...s,_Hi-V,_Low-V)

Search for "composites" in the photo directory. Those are the very first railcars ever designed for the New York subway.

This rolling stock was designed in cooperation with the Pennsylvania Railroad, which owned the LIRR at the time. The LIRR had just started its own electrification, and its initial MP-41 equipment was essentially identical, with the intention being that the two systems would cross-operate. However, traffic patterns precluded this.

Here are the railcars from the old Els in Manhattan:

http://nycsubway.org/wiki/The_Manhattan_Elevated_Fleet

Here is the old Brooklyn Stock:

http://nycsubway.org/wiki/The_BMT_Fl...,_Experimental)

http://nycsubway.org/perl/show?57753

http://nycsubway.org/perl/show?6646

Chicago and London have many more examples of subway equipment that is railroad-like.

http://nycsubway.org/wiki/Chicago,_Illinois

http://nycsubway.org/wiki/London_Underground

Conversely, Japan has many commuter rail lines that operate with subway-like rolling stock and schedules:

http://ktransit.com/transit/Asia/Jap...okyo_cr_jr.htm

The line between subway and commuter rail can get blurred in many ways. Berlin's S-Bahn is operated by the national rail system, DB:

http://nycsubway.org/wiki/Berlin,_Germany_S-Bahn

In Paris, the RER is operated by both RATP, the local transit agency, and SNCF, the national rail network:

http://nycsubway.org/wiki/Paris,_Fra...ansilien_Lines

In London, the Overground is operated as part the transit system, even though it includes such features as the GOBLIN (Gospel Oak to Barking LINe), which is diesel-powered and only has two-car trains:

http://nycsubway.org/wiki/London_Overground

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gospel...o_Barking_Line

In the past, there were interurban systems that ran over parts of the Chicago L to serve the downtown Loop from the suburbs and even as far away as Milwaukee, Wisconsin:

http://www.greatthirdrail.org/

http://www.northshoreline.com/

While they did also race along on fast routes between cities, at other places these systems operated in the streets like giant streetcars (they were essentially outgrowths of trolleys).

Conversely, there is currently a movement to improve service on several commuter rail lines to have more "rapid transit like" service.

In Chicago, the grassroots proposal to upgrade the old Illinois Central commuter rail lines appears to be gaining official notice.

In Philadelphia, plans to upgrade the commuter rail lines to a "RER-like" service fell apart in the early '80s due to budget and labor issues, but are finally starting to regain some small momentum with the new fare system.

In Toronto, the GO Transit capital program is ultimately aiming at similar conditions.

Maryland's MARC commuter rail called for "rapid transit like" service through Baltimore in its most recent master plan (before the latest budget cuts).

In California, the Caltrain line between San Francisco and San Jose seems to sum up its goal as "ALL THE TRAINS! ALL THE TIME!".

And already, some segments of Metro-North and the LIRR are similar to rapid transit. The Far Rockaway Line, the Port Washington Line, and segments of the Harlem Line come to mind.

In conclusion, the distinction between rapid transit and commuter rail is as much about operating philosophy and regulations (New York's PATH complies with all of the standard FRA operating procedures just like Amtrak) as it is about equipment design.

The LIRR and Metro-North will continue to buy whatever type of rolling stock they feel is most appropriate for their operations, however subway-like or not it may be.
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Well they were special they've lasted longer than basically any other kind anywhere.
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The Subway is timeless.
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