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Old June 20th, 2016, 06:12 PM   #3781
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According to wiki 222 R-32s remain in service.... the R-32 will remain in service until 2022...

R32 (New York City Subway car)

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The remaining 222 active cars are maintained at the 207th Street Yard and East New York Yards, running on the C, J, and Z, with one set assigned to the A on an as-needed or standby basis. Ten cars are maintained at the 36th-38th Street Yard and used for work service. Cars #3352–3353 are preserved by the New York Transit Museum. These cars were the lead set on the R32s' premiere trip on September 9, 1964. Cars #3350–3351 have also been set aside for preservation by the Railway Preservation Corp. Meanwhile, GE-rebuilt cars #3594–3595 were moved to Floyd Bennett Field for anti-terrorism training, and cars 3786-3787 are being used as training cars at the Coney Island Yard.

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The remaining 222 cars had undergone SMS (Scheduled Maintenance Service) or a Life Extension Program back in 2011, at a cost of $25 million, to extend their useful lives through at least 2017. They were expected to be fully replaced by the R179 fleet beginning in 2016; however, as of July 2015, the MTA plans to keep an unspecified number of cars in service until at least 2022 due to more delays in the delivery of the R179 replacement cars, along with a previously unanticipated fleet expansion necessitated by the renovation of the 14th Street Tunnel.

At 51 years (the longest for an R-type car), the R32s are the oldest New York City Subway cars in regular passenger service, well past the specified service life of 35 years, as well as some of the oldest rolling stock of any metro system anywhere in the world. According to railfan James Greller, they often cited for their superior durability and craftsmanship, along with the structural reinforcement done to their bodies during the GOH period; five other car types built after them have been mostly or completely retired. They are also the only cars currently in service that were built for the New York City Transit Authority prior to its merger with the Metropolitan Transportation Authority in 1968.

All of the Straphangers Campaign surveys since 2010 have found that the R32s have the lowest Mean Distance Between Failures figures, as the overhauls they received during the 1988–89 period were all worn out after 26–27 years. Others have criticized the R32s for their appearance and lack of comfort. In August 2011, the New York Times called the R32s "a dreary reminder to passengers of an earlier subterranean era," and said that "time has taken a toll" on the cars. In July 2015, several criticized the high rate of repairs that the R32 cars required due to mechanical breakdowns, and worn-out air conditioning systems. Because of the R32s' unreliable air conditioning in summer months, they are transferred to services with mostly outdoor or elevated portions, namely the A, J, and Z services.
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Old June 21st, 2016, 05:50 AM   #3782
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Yup its been extended so long. And they've already pulled all the tricks with them to keep them going. SMS and a major overhaul. And yet although they are cool they are among the least reliable and most hated statistically. So six more years idk...
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Old June 21st, 2016, 06:56 AM   #3783
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The R179s and the R211s better be worth this wait
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Old June 24th, 2016, 12:37 AM   #3784
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I have read all 190 pages and now understood that
1) NYC Subway - best in world
2) NYC Subway - worst in world
It's simple !!
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Old June 27th, 2016, 07:18 PM   #3785
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I do not know how old this gentleman is, but I do wonder if he ever worries that his raison d'Ítre - the Second Avenue Subway - will not open in his lifetime.



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Old June 27th, 2016, 07:32 PM   #3786
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He's a lovely guy.
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Old June 27th, 2016, 07:47 PM   #3787
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Unless he has terminal cancer, I'm quite sure he will. The SAS is still scheduled to open by the end of the year.

The whole line down to Whitehall, however, might be a little longer.
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Old June 28th, 2016, 12:54 AM   #3788
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The SAS is still scheduled to open by the end of the year.
The SAS will always be a few months away, that's for sure.
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Old June 28th, 2016, 02:11 AM   #3789
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The SAS will always be a few months away, that's for sure.
No, it won't. They are making progress. Anybody who actually pays attention will see this The first phase will open by the end of the year. The second phase will follow once the money is raised.
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Old June 28th, 2016, 02:44 AM   #3790
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No, it won't. They are making progress. Anybody who actually pays attention will see this The first phase will open by the end of the year.
There isn't a snowballs chance in hell of that happening.
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There isn't a snowballs chance in hell of that happening.
You have no reasonable basis for this. Give concrete facts about what still needs to be done and how long it will take.
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Old June 28th, 2016, 03:28 PM   #3792
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You have no reasonable basis for this. Give concrete facts about what still needs to be done and how long it will take.
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As the MTA Board materials indicate, the same hot-button items are the culprits. Elevators and escalators wonít be ready for testing, and fire safety systems are lagging behind. If this sounds familiar, well, itís why the 7 line extension opened nearly 20 months behind schedule, and itís an issue on the Upper East Side as well.
http://secondavenuesagas.com/2016/06...e-subway-time/

Does anyone really think the MTA has any credibility when it says something will open on time?
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Old June 28th, 2016, 05:27 PM   #3793
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Old June 28th, 2016, 05:33 PM   #3794
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I seem to recall that the main issues with Hudson Yards was water seepage, something I expect to be less of a problem here. Until they officially change the expected date of opening I will remain confident in them. It may be difficult, but it CAN be done.
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Old June 28th, 2016, 07:42 PM   #3795
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I seem to recall that the main issues with Hudson Yards was water seepage, something I expect to be less of a problem here.
What is this expectation based on?

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Somehow, amazingly enough, the MTAís capital projects were spared damage from the storm. Early on Thursday, the MTA told me that the Second Ave. Subway, East Side Access project and 7 line extension were OK and spared any flooding, but that minimizes what happened. According to Ted Mann of The Wall Street Journal, East River floodwaters came within 20 feet of the Second Ave. Subway construction site at 96th St. Can you imagine if the renaissance of the Second Ave. Subway had been snuffed out by a historic hurricane? Itís almost fitting.
http://secondavenuesagas.com/2012/11...nd-news-notes/
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Old June 28th, 2016, 07:46 PM   #3796
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In other news, another project that has already been delayed multiple times has been delayed once more. This is the Arthur Kill station on the Staten Island Railway, which will replace Nassau and Atlantic stations. It is now scheduled to open in Nov 2016, although this will likely be delayed once more.

http://www.ny1.com/nyc/staten-island...-delayed-.html

Unlike the Second Avenue Subway, this particular project is in a remote sparsely populated autocentric part of the city. In fact, the MTA could probably get away with postponing this indefinitely and no one would ever notice.
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Old June 28th, 2016, 08:46 PM   #3797
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It was after this, in 2014, that there was seepage into Hudson Yards. I seem to recall it was a mixture of the river, and the new construction on top.
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In other news, another project that has already been delayed multiple times has been delayed once more. This is the Arthur Kill station on the Staten Island Railway, which will replace Nassau and Atlantic stations. It is now scheduled to open in Nov 2016, although this will likely be delayed once more.

http://www.ny1.com/nyc/staten-island...-delayed-.html

Unlike the Second Avenue Subway, this particular project is in a remote sparsely populated autocentric part of the city. In fact, the MTA could probably get away with postponing this indefinitely and no one would ever notice.
This definitely isn't the MTA's fault. If the DoT and ConEd are having problems, then its their fault-they've had years of warning, after all.
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