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Old August 23rd, 2016, 07:53 PM   #3881
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Old August 25th, 2016, 11:26 AM   #3882
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The end of those records has been quickly approaching for a while now. Tokyo, Hong Kong, Beijing, Seoul, Shanghai are growing totalinaristically fast, and seem to all be about to eclipse New York's most stations, most miles etc. records.


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NYC's subway is one of the busiest in the world, has the most stations (at 422), the most trackage, is one of the world's longest, has headways of 2-5 minutes during peak hours and transports 6,000,000 people per day. It's dirty as hell, sure, but it was not built to be pretty. It was built to move people. And it does that quite well.

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Old August 25th, 2016, 12:12 PM   #3883
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I was going to saw use the J train alignment instead of building a new tunnel... I think with rising water levels in lower Manhattan to have the alignment so close to the river is stupid... I think it should continue into Brookyln via the R train & A train to Utica Ave and a new line under Utica Ave to Flatlands. I would also like to see the C train extended to Ozone Park-Lefferts Boulevard and the line itself extended to York College in Jamaica.


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Extend it down and around back up to the E-line terminus at the WTC. That will fit the missing link from where the Els were demolished.
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Old August 25th, 2016, 09:07 PM   #3884
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"streamlined" trains would mean a loss in capacity. A small one, but on a system like NYC, every drop counts.

I have heard numerous comments on the new trains being good-looking and modern.

The appearance was chosen for being durable, low-maintenance, and easy to clean.
And open gangways are a nearly 10% increase they say. Much more than a drop and also it could more than offset streamlined end cars if they really wanted to do that.
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Old August 26th, 2016, 02:39 AM   #3885
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That gives issues with maintenance where you have to take an entire train out due to one car having a fault. Then there's making sure that the design doesn't allow people to ride on the front of the car-that happened with the last streamlined cars in NYC, the R-40.
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Old August 26th, 2016, 04:15 AM   #3886
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The NYC subway is 24/7/365 since 1904 !!!! In London the Mayor and the people are celebrating for more than a week because after over 150 years 2 lines are 24 hours BUT ONLY IN THE WEEKEND.........
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Old August 26th, 2016, 09:00 AM   #3887
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It was built cheaply and quick... Its a very efficient system...and there slowly upgrading it..
It was designed to be the most advanced subway system in the world. It is the only subway which has largely quadruple tracks.

New Yorkers demolished the Elevated RR to build a system better than the London Underground...
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Old August 26th, 2016, 01:55 PM   #3888
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It was designed to be the most advanced subway system in the world. It is the only subway which has largely quadruple tracks.

New Yorkers demolished the Elevated RR to build a system better than the London Underground...
The quadruple-tracked trunk lines are frequently overlooked and are such a critical part of the NYC subway system. Many critical lines (4/5/6 especially) don't have CBTC or ATO but can run way more trains than double tracked trains with CBTC/ATO.
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Old August 26th, 2016, 05:36 PM   #3889
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It was designed to be the most advanced subway system in the world. It is the only subway which has largely quadruple tracks.

New Yorkers demolished the Elevated RR to build a system better than the London Underground...
Demolishing the Els wasn't necessary for the major subway lines at all. In fact, they were largely demolished after the subways were built. It was mostly a political decision since the city deliberately routed the municipal IND lines in competition to the BMT and IRT Els.

And the Els had large stretches of three-track running-they were able to operate express service in the peak direction.
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Most pre-IND subways were built to complement each other.

Most of the triple track sections of the Els were built during the "dual contracts" period.
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Old August 26th, 2016, 07:51 PM   #3891
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Pre-IND subways were designed to complement other subways and Els of the same company. The IRT and BMT were still in competition with each other.
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Yes, but the IRT mainly served Manhattan and the Bronx while the BMT mainly served Brooklyn.
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Old August 26th, 2016, 10:06 PM   #3893
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Excellent slide shows from the George Conrad Collection -. Just move your cursor across the bottom of the photos for captions. The IND slideshow is a little skimpy.

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All aboard!: Prohibition-era train steams onto New York subway for 1920s TV series

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It was once the cutting edge of metropolitan travel.
For more than 50 years the vintage train has been in retirement.
But now the Prohibition-era engine is to ride the rails once again- to promote a new TV series set in the glamorous 1920s.
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Old August 27th, 2016, 12:07 AM   #3895
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Those are Lo-V cars. Neither steam nor locomotive is involved-those are electric MUs.
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The NYC subway is 24/7/365 since 1904 !!!! In London the Mayor and the people are celebrating for more than a week because after over 150 years 2 lines are 24 hours BUT ONLY IN THE WEEKEND.........
1) London's tube being so much older than NYC's, coupled with its more intensive service frequencies (gaps between trains on lines as little as every 100 seconds at peak times and increasingly small differences between peak and off-peak services), means that there's a big need for maintenance. Thus closing for 4 hours a night, several nights a week, makes sense (it's that or frequent weekend closures).
2) London's streets being millennia older than NYC's means that there was no way 4-tracking could have happened in the same way (in places the tracks have to stack to fit under the street). This is the key reason why NYC could run 24h service - almost uniquely.
3) London's extensive Night Bus network meant that Night Tube has never been a high priority. Night Tube is only really happening as 'because we now can and it looks good' - they reckon there's demand, but they don't have much idea how much.
4) London wanted to make absolutely sure that they could miss a night's maintenance twice a week before moving to 24h service on weekends (unlike the far newer DC Metro, which is tragically reaping the consequences of putting shiny above safety) so they needed to wait for the waning of an extensive 20-year modernization program costing roughly a couple of billion dollars each year.
5) Labor disputes delayed this for well over a year.
6) A big deal has been made of this because of politics - the new Mayor wanted to cash in big on this to give him a big bit of spin early into first term. The idea itself was almost entirely about politics too. Add in that he is on a big campaign post-Brexit vote to say that London is open for business despite that (his predecessor, who was a key Leave figure and now Foreign Secretary would say that the Leave vote was about making London/UK open to business from the whole world rather than being stuck behind the protectionist EU policies) which this is a part of.
7) Three more lines will have night tube before the end of the year and most of the rest by the end of the decade (after their modernization programs are mostly finished). That it's only two is that the entire system is being rebuilt due to being almost all over 100 years old.
8) Some other routes (DLR, W&C) could run night time services right now, but TfL are pretty sure there is not the demand for it due to a lack of night-time destinations on the line. The DLR, in theory, could have run 24h services since day 1 in the 80s, but there was definitely no demand then as it ran through industrial wasteland.
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Those are Lo-V cars. Neither steam nor locomotive is involved-those are electric MUs.
I think mrsmartman took the title from the article in the link. I think the writer of the article meant the trains were moving again.
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Old August 27th, 2016, 10:12 PM   #3898
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Be fair, sotonsi. NYC also has some very old routes. And some very short headways indeed (100 or less).
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Yes but 100 seconds only where there are four or six tracks when you count multiple routes. ie the 4 and 5 and the six running downstairs. There's no less than two minutes on a single track.
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Old August 28th, 2016, 12:14 AM   #3900
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Be fair, sotonsi. NYC also has some very old routes.
Sure, but 1863 for the oldest bits is 50% older than 1904 for the oldest bits.
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And some very short headways indeed (100 or less).
Every 100 seconds is 36tph, 20% more than the best on the NYC Subway, AFAICS.

The 2014 figures I can see on wikipedia have the highest as the (E)+(F) on the Queens Blvd express at 30tph in Rush Hours (15tph each). Other sections of the NYC subway with 24tph (every 150 seconds on average) or more are the (4)+(5) at 29tph, (A)+(D) at 28tph (18+10), (7)+<7> at 27tph (this is off-peak on the Victoria and Central lines in London), (C)+(E) at 25tph and the (6)+<6> at 24tph. Outside rush hours those are at: (E)+(F) 16tph, (4)+(5) 15tph, (A)+(D) 16tph, (7) 10tph, (C)+(E) 16tph, (6)+<6> 15tph. 16tph is the minimum on the tube's core routes off-peak (Northern line through the West End, Northern line through The City, Met line Baker Street - Harrow)*, but it's the maximum you'll find in New York. My point about the more intensive service is valid.

Another issue in London is that the London Underground's underground sections are mostly twin bores (often with different vertical alignments) so there's few crossovers to allow single track running while the other track undergoes maintenance work (and if even if they were next to each other without anything between them, it would be illegal due to safety regs to work on one while the line has trains running).

London's 24h running is an achievement that took real effort that is worthy of celebration - to begrudge a week or two of joy at this is immensely petty.

*The other core bits of the tube's current off-peak frequencies: Aldgate East-Barking 18tph, Queens Park-Elephant and Castle 20tph, Acton Town-Arnos Grove 21tph, Baker Street-Liverpool Street 21tph, Gloucester Road-Tower Hill 24tph, White City-Leytonstone 24tph, Willesden Green-Stratford 24tph, Walthamstow Central-Brixton 27tph.
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