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Old August 30th, 2007, 11:53 AM   #381
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No, there are other cities for example Berlin etc. which have 24 hour service
but not all the week, only on weekend nights there is metro service
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Old August 30th, 2007, 01:18 PM   #382
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New York Subway is the best in the world
as it's the only one to have 24 hour services

if i had to choose between clean but awful service
and dirty but excellent service i would definitely go for the second choice
I really don't agree with you at all. The New York City Subway is FAR from being the best.

I'm not going to defend it just because it's my city's subway. I seriously wish the system improves. NOt only do the trains come extremely late at times, the announcement systems suck at letting the riders now theres going to be delays. If something isn't done about this anytime soon, im seriously not going to even bother riding the damn thing anymore...
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Old August 30th, 2007, 03:12 PM   #383
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Please, is this subway really bigger than Prague metro?




yeah, it was a joke!!
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Old September 25th, 2007, 07:39 PM   #384
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E-mail alerts, redesigns planned after New York City subway floods
21 September 2007

NEW YORK (AP) - Subway riders will get e-mails and text messages about delays. Station agents will carry BlackBerrys. Some station entrances will be redesigned to ward off water, and the system's managers would get better weather forecasting equipment.

All are part of the Metropolitan Transportation Authority's multimillion-dollar plans to prevent a repeat of a rush-hour washout that followed a rainstorm last month.

The measures were outlined in a report Thursday on the Aug. 8 storm, which dumped as much as 3.5 inches of rain on the region during the morning rush and spawned a rare tornado in Brooklyn. Flooding shut down much of the city subway system and portions of the Metro-North and Long Island Rail Road commuter lines.

MTA Executive Director Elliot Sander said the authority would spend $30 million in the short term -- and possibly hundreds of millions of dollars in the long term -- to lessen the effects of future storms.

Representatives for Gov. Eliot Spitzer, who requested the report, and a riders' advocacy group praised the plans.

Jennifer Givner, a spokeswoman for Spitzer, said his office was "confident that the MTA is taking the appropriate actions." The Straphangers Campaign said the report included "some solid recommendations that should help prevent, or at least mitigate, future rain-soaked catastrophes."

Sander said the MTA would review designs for raising the vents at flood-prone sidewalk gratings to as much as 2 feet above street level, to keep water from flowing into the stations.

Stairwells at some stations will be redesigned to keep water out. Doppler radar will be installed at MTA operations centers to improve weather forecasting.

Communication will also be beefed up. Besides sending e-mails and text messages to passengers, the MTA plans to upgrade its Web site's capacity and expand press office hours for its NYC Transit unit.

Sander said the agency would also work to improve internal communication by issuing personal digital assistants, such as BlackBerrys, to station agents and other subway system and commuter rail employees.

Some 2.5 million transit customers were affected by the Aug. 8 flooding. But information on service shutdowns was scarce because media outlets were not informed promptly and the MTA's Web site was overwhelmed.

NYC Transit President Howard Roberts Jr. said Thursday the agency should have done more to keep riders informed.

"We concentrated on managing trains to the exclusion of managing customers," he said.

In another step to improve communication, the MTA plans to wire the subway system's 277 underground stations for cell phone service.

The plan, announced this week, was under way before the storm. It still needs approval from the MTA board, but Chairman Peter Kalikow has said he supports it and expects other members to join him.

Some riders said Thursday they supported the cell phone plan, which would not include phone service in underground trains.

"I'm always in the subway," said Richard Brazzano, fingering his phone while waiting for a downtown 6 train at Grand Central Terminal. "I miss calls."

The cell phone service would be introduced in a two-year pilot program at six Manhattan stations, Roberts said Thursday. He said he did not know how long it would take to wire the entire system.

A company called Transit Wireless would pay the estimated $150 million to $200 million cost of wiring the stations, plus about $46 million in fees over 10 years to NYC Transit.

Blackberrys are made by Research in Motion Ltd.
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Old September 25th, 2007, 07:40 PM   #385
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Cell phone service planned for NYC subway platforms
21 September 2007

NEW YORK (AP) - Add another sound to the symphony of screeches and clatter in New York City's subway system: cell phone chatter.

All 277 underground subway stations -- but not the tunnels -- would be wired for cell phones and wireless Internet service in the next six years under a plan the Metropolitan Transportation Authority announced Wednesday. It still needs approval from the agency's board, but Chairman Peter Kalikow said he supported it and expected other members would join him.

A company called Transit Wireless would pay the $150 million to $200 million (euro107 million to euro143 million) cost of wiring the stations, plus about $46 million (euro33 million) in fees over 10 years to New York City Transit, a unit of the MTA. Straphangers would be able to use their cell phones only if their carriers signed up for service on the underground network, which Transit Wireless partner Gary Simpson predicted they would.

"There's a need and a demand by riders and customers to use their cell phones down in the stations," Simpson said.

That demand was highlighted when a rainstorm last month caused a subway system meltdown. Some passengers found themselves unable either to get information on the problem or to phone their co-workers and families to explain their whereabouts. Some 2.5 million transit customers were affected by the Aug. 8 flooding.

The MTA also plans to look at possible infrastructure improvements to avoid future flooding problems, such as raising vents at some sidewalk gratings, and redesigning stairwells to keep water out, according to a plan the agency released Thursday.

Almost 5 million passengers ride the subways on an average weekday. The 660-mile (1,062-kilometer) system includes 468 stations under and above city streets.
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Old September 25th, 2007, 07:45 PM   #386
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New York Subway Cars => Artificial Reefs

New Jersey supports turning 600 subway cars into reefs
19 September 2007

TRENTON, N.J. (AP) - Some 600 New York City subway cars will spend the rest of their days down the shore as artificial reefs.

The decision by state Environmental Protection Commissioner Lisa Jackson was eagerly anticipated by fishermen and divers excited about the fish the subway cars will attract.

But some environmentalists are wary, saying the subway cars contain potentially hazardous materials.

It's not the first time old subway cars were scuttled off the New Jersey coast to create artificial reefs. In a memo issued Monday, Jackson cited studies that have found no effects from asbestos in an older generation of subway cars sunk at sea a few years ago.

"Of course, we've got to wait on New York to clean up the cars" before they can be placed on reefs, Thomas P. Fote, legislative chairman for the Jersey Coast Anglers Association, told the Asbury Park Press for Wednesday's newspapers.

Tim Dillingham of the American Littoral Society said there are better alternatives than old subway cars.

"New Jersey's artificial-reef program should only utilize the highest quality materials. There are unanswered questions about the integrity of the subway cars," he told the newspaper.

Environmental groups objected when the DEP accepted hundreds of 1960s-vintage subway cars from the MTA several years ago, particularly after they learned the cars had fireproofing materials that contained asbestos.

That prompted then-DEP commissioner Bradley M. Campbell to say the agency would accept no more until it had studied the issues of longevity on the sea floor and whether the asbestos could pose any hazard.

Jackson cited a South Carolina case in which subway cars hosted dense communities of marine life after only 10 months under water. She also noted a three-year study by the state Division of Fish and Wildlife showing each subway car hosted 323 reef fish. This included black sea bass, tog and cunner, The Press of Atlantic City reported.
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Old September 26th, 2007, 07:15 PM   #387
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(I like the NYC subway thread, coz it mostly amounts to tagging to it articles like the one you're posting.)
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Old September 26th, 2007, 08:00 PM   #388
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Creating artificial reefs has been quite popular with sinking old ships, but this is the first I've heard subway cars being dumped into the sea for that purpose. Examples have shown these ecosystems grow very quickly.
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Old September 26th, 2007, 08:43 PM   #389
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they have been doing this for a while now, pretty cool what they are doing. i remember watching discovery and them having an entire show on just this a couple of years ago
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Old September 27th, 2007, 03:04 AM   #390
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What's the point of installing them in stations but not in the tunnel??
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Old September 27th, 2007, 07:36 AM   #391
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What's the point of installing them in stations but not in the tunnel??
I think the signals would bounce down the tunnels, not to mention the distance between most underground stations is small enough where coverage would be good.
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Old September 27th, 2007, 12:21 PM   #392
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There are too many tunnels. It'll cost a fortune wiring up everything for a seemless connection underground.
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Old September 28th, 2007, 04:15 AM   #393
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Thank goodness we have some elevated lines where connection is already "installed". :P
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Old September 29th, 2007, 05:06 PM   #394
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Have services at the platform is better than have no service at all~~~~
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Old September 30th, 2007, 07:08 AM   #395
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The Third Avenue El

I was browsing through the internet today and I found this film of the old Third Avenue El, which used to run down its namesake street in New York before it was taken down in 1955.

Third Avenue El (1950)

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The Third Avenue Line, or Third Avenue El, was an elevated railway in Manhattan and the Bronx, New York City. It passed into the ownership of the Interborough Rapid Transit Company (IRT) and eventually the New York City Subway.

In the 1940s, as part of the integration of the different subway companies in New York City—the IRT along with Brooklyn–Manhattan Transit (BMT) and Independent Subway System (IND)—the Third Avenue El and its counterparts on Second, Sixth, and Ninth Avenues came under criticism from New York mayor Fiorello LaGuardia and his successors. The Els were regarded as blights to their communities and obsolete, given that subways were being built, or were on the drawing board, to replace them.

The IND Sixth Avenue Line and the IND Eighth Avenue Line did indeed render the Sixth and Ninth Avenue Els obsolete. Save for a small shuttle service for the Polo Grounds on the Ninth Avenue Line, they were closed by 1940 and demolished by 1941. The Second Avenue El was also gradually demolished from 1940 to 1942, leaving only the Third Avenue El, which was intended to stay in use until the Second Avenue Subway was built to replace it. However, government bureaucracy and pressure from private developers, eager to redevelop Third Avenue, forced the closure of the El prematurely with no adequate subway replacement, leaving residents on the East Side of Manhattan with the overcrowded IRT Lexington Avenue Line as the only subway east of Fifth Avenue.

The system was closed in sections from 1950 to 1973. First, the South Ferry spur was closed in 1950, which connected South Ferry to Chatham Square in Manhattan. This forever closed the South Ferry elevated station, which had serviced all four IRT El lines that originally ran in Manhattan. Next to close was the City Hall spur in 1953, which started at Park Row in Manhattan and then connected with the South Ferry spur at Chatham Square. On May 12, 1955 the main portion of the line from Chatham Square to East 149th Street in the Bronx closed, ending the operation of elevated service in Manhattan. The removal aided property values along the East Side, and the head of the Real Estate Board of New York suggested that Third Avenue be renamed "The Bouwerie" to symbolize the transformation.[1]

Finally, the remaining portion of the line in the Bronx from East 149th Street to Gun Hill Road closed in April 1973.

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Old September 30th, 2007, 08:37 AM   #396
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now its getting fully replaced by the 2nd ave subway where the Q and the T well travel there
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Yes, when pigs fly...

They should never have torn down the els. Instead, they should have modernized them. Thick, steel beams could have been replaced with thin, graceful concrete beams. Given the 50's and 60's architectural experimenting with the material, that might have resulted in beautiful structures down Manhattan's avenues. Plus the touristic value of such overground structures would have been huge today, with magnificent views of Manhattan's skyline.
New York wouldn't have had to spend 17 billion (!) dollars on a relatively short, debated stretch of subway line, the construction of which might just as easily be halted again...
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Those steel beams should have stayed. I think it gives character to the area, rather than having some system that looks like Shanghai or Madrid. The Second Ave Subway wont be finished until 2040 or something.
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i know what you mean but at least now the subway is under construction its not a joke anymore for NYC its an achievement
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Even if New York Subway may have an overall air of repulsiveness to it, it also has a tradition of interesting station design and I definitely sense a recent attitude towards preserving the historic designs. There are also numerous examples of great modern works of arts in the stations.

Subway Style: http://www.transitmuseumeducation.or...le/launch.html
What's that stuff hanging down from those beams? I'm talking about slides 19 and 20.
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