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Old November 15th, 2016, 05:35 PM   #4021
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By Benjamin Kabak
November 14, 2016

No more promises of “three to five years.” After over half a decade of promises, the MTA Board is set to vote Wednesday on a plan that would finally bring countdown clocks to the B Division trains — the subway’s lettered lines — by the end of March of 2018. Based off the current pilot running at eight stations along the BMT Broadway line, the new system will be run by Transit Wireless infrastructure and will be a part of an initiative to bring wifi to the system’s outdoor stations. It’s not based on the same signal system upgrades as the A Division countdown clocks but should cost under $32 million to install.

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Old November 16th, 2016, 12:19 AM   #4022
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Yes, I am being sarcastic, and millennials are beginning to disappoint me for reasons other than gentrification. More and more the "millennials are gonna save us" thing is turning out to be a farce. They're just as quick to run to the burbs when that grass looks greener, and aren't really the social angels some thought they were, in terms of justice or responsibility. I do find it funny how people in the UES talk about "getting in now" before the SAS opens and the rents start skyrocketing, as if the upper sides were a bargain now.
Speaking as someone who has considerable interaction with them, millennials are hardly running to the suburbs. And while they may not be angels, they are generally trying to help the world in whatever way they can.
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Old November 16th, 2016, 03:30 AM   #4023
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Yes, deep within NYC I agree, they are a better cohort. But still I'm disappointed that New York still doesn't quite have that overzealous sense of daily activism. Such as they are just about as quick as any to rip out their cell phones to film a terrible vertical video of some ratchet event. Though you do get the widely publicized stories of "subway heroes" etc saving someone from the track, but that happens elsewhere some of the times as well. I mean it doesn't have that overtly self aware, real-time, overflowing pride that it is sometimes portrayed as having, New Yorker pride.
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Old November 16th, 2016, 06:17 AM   #4024
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Not sure what you are saying here, but NYC has some pretty active people.
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Old November 16th, 2016, 09:23 PM   #4025
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Raise Subway fare to $3?

Three dollars has a certain sticker shock effect (like gas hitting 4 or 5), but if the average crappy metro/bus fare like the one in Miami is worth over $2 ($2.25), the NYC Subway is worth $3. For it's size, scale and importance it is still the best unit price of urban transport.

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M.T.A. Proposals Could Raise Subway Fare to $3

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The price of a MetroCard swipe could rise by a quarter to $3 in March, officials at the Metropolitan Transportation Authority announced on Wednesday.

The authority’s board is considering two proposals for a 4 percent increase in fares and tolls across the system’s trains, buses, tunnels and bridges. Board members are expected to vote on the proposals in January after the authority holds a series of public meetings.

One proposal would raise the base fare for subways and buses to $3, while increasing the bonus on pay-per-ride MetroCards to 16 percent from 11 percent, when riders put at least $6 on a card. A second proposal would keep the base fare at $2.75, but reduce the current 11 percent bonus to 5 percent, when riders put at least $5.50 on a card.

Under both plans, a weekly MetroCard would rise by $1 to $32. A monthly pass would increase by $4.50 to $121. Fares and tolls would rise by about 4 percent on commuter railroads and at tunnels and bridges.
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Old November 17th, 2016, 12:52 AM   #4026
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Question: Why is New York so averse to distance-based pricing?
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Old November 17th, 2016, 12:55 AM   #4027
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Its a very old, very big, system with methods that are heavily entrenched. And changing would be very expensive considering the size and complexity of the network.
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Old November 17th, 2016, 02:55 AM   #4028
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I always assumed that it was because riders were against cost increases. If the cost would be too much wouldn't that be made up from the increase revenue if you go by distance you would charge much more than 2.75 for long distance. Hell MTR charges like $8 USD from Lo Wu to Central and $16 USD from Air Port to Central. Even if New York stayed cheap they could still charge up $5 on some longer distance rides. I'm pretty sure riders would hate it.
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Old November 17th, 2016, 03:55 AM   #4029
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Old November 17th, 2016, 04:31 AM   #4030
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Hell MTR charges like $8 USD from Lo Wu to Central and $16 USD from Air Port to Central. Even if New York stayed cheap they could still charge up $5 on some longer distance rides. I'm pretty sure riders would hate it.
Thats just cherry picking. Most fares on the MTR are much cheaper than that of Lo Wu and the Airport. Those stations target niche markets of cross border travel. A more reasonable comparison is a more typical commute from residential districts to the CBD such as Tsuen Wan to Central (~1.90 USD), Tai po to Central (~2.60 USD),
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I always assumed that it was because riders were against cost increases. If the cost would be too much wouldn't that be made up from the increase revenue if you go by distance you would charge much more than 2.75 for long distance. Hell MTR charges like $8 USD from Lo Wu to Central and $16 USD from Air Port to Central. Even if New York stayed cheap they could still charge up $5 on some longer distance rides. I'm pretty sure riders would hate it.
Aren't riders everywhere "against cost increases", or is NYC unique?
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Old November 17th, 2016, 09:35 AM   #4032
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NYC is unique, of course.
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Old November 17th, 2016, 01:51 PM   #4034
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Second Avenue subway’s launch date may change, MTA warns

By Vincent Barone [email protected] November 16, 2016

The MTA on Wednesday said that the agency must soon settle on an exact opening date for the Second Avenue subway—and Dec. 31, 2016, would be a fairly difficult one.
Citing logistical and security issues relating to the fact that the opening of the line’s first phase is slated to fall on New Year’s Eve, MTA Chairman Tom Prendergast said that the opening, set seven years ago, would provide “another set of challenges” for the agency.
“We do need to set a date at which time we say ‘we’re a go’ or ‘not a go,’” said Prendergast after the agency’s board meeting. “We’re approaching that point. There’s been a tremendous amount of focus, more so than I can ever remember, about trying to make the committed date of Dec. 31 — for a lot of good reasons. So stay tuned.”
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Old November 17th, 2016, 02:06 PM   #4035
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I am shocked, truly shocked, that the Second Avenue Subway may potentially not open in 2016. The MTA has the best credibility and punctuality in the industry, so this is very unusual and unexpected.
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I am shocked, truly shocked, that the Second Avenue Subway may potentially not open in 2016. The MTA has the best credibility and punctuality in the industry, so this is very unusual and unexpected.
If it's anything like the 7 train extension we'll be lucky to see it open in 2017.
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Uh, they absolutely do not finish projects on time. They do not, at all, have the best punctuality or even the best credibility. This project has been pushed back and back and back since it started. In 2007, the TA said the line would be open by 2013. Then it was 2014. Then it was 2015. Then it was 2016. And now it looks more and more like 2017.

The 7 extension was supposed to be open in 2014. I saw Bloomberg ride his train from Hudson Yards, back in 2013. I rode the first train in September 2015.

They said East Side Access would be open by 2010. Then 2018. Then 2019. Then 2022. Now its 2023.



It's Cuomo who is forcing the MTA to open the line by December.
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Old November 19th, 2016, 07:18 AM   #4039
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