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Old January 2nd, 2017, 06:16 AM   #4101
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I went to the opening of the 2nd Ave subway today. All in all, I think it's a very decent addition. I thought they could've pushed the envelope with the design a bit more (in terms of finishes), considering how much money it cost, but I'm most happy that we now have a 2nd line in the densest part of the city and to alleviate the busiest line in the system (the 4-5-6). My favorite by far is the 86th St station. Beautiful mosaics all around!


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Old January 2nd, 2017, 06:17 AM   #4102
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Old January 2nd, 2017, 06:18 AM   #4103
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Old January 2nd, 2017, 06:18 AM   #4104
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Old January 2nd, 2017, 06:28 AM   #4105
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Great photos ! Makes me want to visit New York City again...

Just a quick question, did the MTA not consider driverless trains for the new line?
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Old January 2nd, 2017, 07:05 AM   #4106
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I think all the artwork is fine. I think that the one I like the most is the 72nd station's. Everyday people, looks almost like banksy-esch. And very nice the mosaic work.


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Great photos ! Makes me want to visit New York City again...

Just a quick question, did the MTA not consider driverless trains for the new line?
No they didn't. This line, according to NY nomenclature is only three new stations plus a renovated and expanded one. But the services that runs through it, the "Q" goes by those four stations and then by dozens of old, existing stations, so driverless trains was not an option.
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Old January 2nd, 2017, 07:10 AM   #4107
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Great photos ! Makes me want to visit New York City again...

Just a quick question, did the MTA not consider driverless trains for the new line?
It's not a new line, it's an extension of an existing one.

And considering what happened the last time the MTA experimented with OPTO, let alone driverless trains...

(the unions got pissed off with OPTO on the post-CBTC L)

On a side note, do they use ATO, or just CBTC/ATC?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Signal...way#Automation
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Old January 2nd, 2017, 06:55 PM   #4109
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It's not a new line, it's an extension of an existing one.

And considering what happened the last time the MTA experimented with OPTO, let alone driverless trains...

(the unions got pissed off with OPTO on the post-CBTC L)

On a side note, do they use ATO, or just CBTC/ATC?
It is a new line. lines are physical sections of the subway. Second Avenue is a new line. The Q service got the extension onto the new line.

So, to clear this up to those who do not know:

Unlike most of the world, lines and services are not the same thing here. Lines are parts of the system. Service traverse several lines to get between terminals.

The D service, for example, uses the West End, Fourth Avenue, Christie Street, Sixth Avenue, Eighth Avenue-Washington Heights, and Concourse Lines to get between Coney Island in Brooklyn and Norwood-205 in The Bronx.

To the last question, the L and soon 7 use CBTC.
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Old January 2nd, 2017, 11:28 PM   #4110
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^additionally, this extension had CBTC installed alongside the heritage signaling system.

As far as i understand it - to your point -we won't see it utilized much until the service switches over to the "T" (or whatever designation they settle upon.
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Old January 3rd, 2017, 02:22 AM   #4111
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^additionally, this extension had CBTC installed alongside the heritage signaling system.

As far as i understand it - to your point -we won't see it utilized much until the service switches over to the "T" (or whatever designation they settle upon.
Ooh, do you have a source for this?

AFAIK all the CBTC equipped B Division trains are at East New York for the L, and I would presume that Coney would already need to refit some more trains for 8th Avenue and QBL CBTC - perhaps some of these CBTC-ready trains could be assigned to the Q to reap the benefits of CBTC north of Lex-63rd...
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Old January 3rd, 2017, 05:11 AM   #4112
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Looks like i'll have to one up the photos posted above , ill throw in the G, L and A...trains...
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Systemwide WiFi and phone service was always in the cards. Most of the other stuff isn't new either. The bombshell is that the WiFi will be complete by year's end?? And phone service by next year.
I was more surprised when the news broke on Dec 31 that all underground stations have Wi-Fi than the SAS opening on time.

https://www.engadget.com/2016/12/31/...wifi-complete/

All New York City underground subway stations now have WiFi

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every one of the 279 stations now has internet access thanks to Transit Wireless. WiFi is a long time in coming (the first stations went online in 2011), but it's important if you either have spotty phone reception or a WiFi-only device that would otherwise go dark.
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Well, HERE is the video I took last year during the Hudson Yards opening, the excitement was WAY more concentrated from what I can see. Much noisier, more overflowing with joy, not just a bunch of foamers hiding behind cameras.
And there was no ambiguity about the first train, it was already packed for sure, I got in the second car as you can see.

*One station
*No preview
*No dis-info about first train
*First station in a much longer time period



The video magically increased in quality in some point, YouTube terribly compressed it and even lowered it to 360p, which is normal at first but
it stayed that way for months. Now it looks much better. So if you saw this when it came out last year and are one the dislikes,
maybe it's better now.
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This is just some pie-in-the-sky thinking, but is it possible that NYCT make 77th and 86th Streets on the Lex exit-only in the peak direction, so as to "force" riders to take the SAS or an uptown/downtown detour via 68th or 96/Lex?

I know London Underground does this at Covent Garden and Camden Town in order to*combat overcrowding...
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This is just some pie-in-the-sky thinking, but is it possible that NYCT make 77th and 86th Streets on the Lex exit-only in the peak direction, so as to "force" riders to take the SAS or an uptown/downtown detour via 68th or 96/Lex?
Not going to happen. Too many riders would be inconvenienced...New Yorkers are use to a crowd..
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I think it will already help a lot. There's already talk of how it won't help Brooklyners or Bronx commuters, but I think it's understated how busy the three semi-adjacent Lex Line stations are,
they are all in the top 50 out of over 400, so basically, it will indirectly help in that there already won't be as many UES people trying to squeeze on to 4/5/6 trains, and from the south some
from downtown and Brooklyn will just take the Q/N because they were going farther east. The "projected ridership" of 200,000 sounds like a lot, I wonder if that includes 63rd Street, otherwise
it comes to over 60,000 each, which is about as busy as 86th Street/Lex, the 10th busiest in the system.

I guess it wouldn't be too surprising, as the number they gave for Hudson Yards worked out to be the busiest in the system, busier than times square, which is virtually impossible. Maybe they
were giving the absolute crush capacity if it were packed all hours of the day.
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Old January 3rd, 2017, 03:45 PM   #4120
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I think it will already help a lot. There's already talk of how it won't help Brooklyners or Bronx commuters, but I think it's understated how busy the three semi-adjacent Lex Line stations are,
they are all in the top 50 out of over 400, so basically, it will indirectly help in that there already won't be as many UES people trying to squeeze on to 4/5/6 trains, and from the south some
from downtown and Brooklyn will just take the Q/N because they were going farther east. The "projected ridership" of 200,000 sounds like a lot, I wonder if that includes 63rd Street, otherwise
it comes to over 60,000 each, which is about as busy as 86th Street/Lex, the 10th busiest in the system.

I guess it wouldn't be too surprising, as the number they gave for Hudson Yards worked out to be the busiest in the system, busier than times square, which is virtually impossible. Maybe they
were giving the absolute crush capacity if it were packed all hours of the day.
A quick eyeball on Google Maps seems to put the SAS stations in a more central part of the UES than the Lex...

I'm not sure if it would be much of a help right now, though, since if someone wants the Financial District, they either need to go to 86/Lex for the 4/5, or take the 6/N/Q and change somewhere.

On a side note, is it possible to build a transfer passageway between Lex/59 and Lex/63? If they're building a transfer walkway between 42/2Av and Grand Central, which is a longer length, they could do it there too...
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