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Old February 11th, 2008, 05:11 PM   #541
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I hadn't noticed the rendering for the station entrances. I really like them. It's a good thing that they're covered as well, at least the stairs won't get wet and slippery when it rain like most other stations do. And the design is real nice.
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Old February 11th, 2008, 08:31 PM   #542
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the Second Avenue Subway will begin construction on April 12 and all the new stations will have Air Conditioning to cool off the platforms cool and once it is completed it will be run by a new train route the T
Just in case & to be on the safe side, better go to church & light a candle to St Jude (the patron saint of lost causes).
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Old February 11th, 2008, 08:52 PM   #543
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I THINK IT REALLY ABOUT TIME THEY GOT THIS OFF THE GROUND I WOULD LOVE TO SEE THIS LINE BUILT AT LEAST IN ALL OF MANHATTAN IN MY LIFETIME ITS JUST ASHAME THIS FEAT COULD HAVE BEEN ACCOMPLISHED WELL OVER 20 YEARS AGO AND WE COULD BE USING THE CURRENT MONEY FOR MORE EXPANSION OPRTUNITIES LIKE SERVICE TO SE QUEENS AND WHAT HAVE YOU GREAT THREAD THO!!!!!!
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Great to hear this is moving forward though.
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Old February 12th, 2008, 05:19 PM   #544
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Not sure how much more effective a 2nd avenue subway would be. Do people think it could've worked better had it been built on 1st avenue? In any case, its still great news. Should comfortably relieve the 4,5,6 lines, which btw are a nightmare during rush hours. Notice how crowding on the West Side, neither the A,B,C,D or 1,2,3 lines are nearly as bad as 4,5,6. The T and Q trains should have the same effect with the 4,5,6
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Old February 12th, 2008, 07:36 PM   #545
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Considering its net price tag ($1 billion per mile), it makes me wonder if monorail would have been a better solution. You could build the line faster, and for MUCH cheaper than tunneling. One of the biggest 'drawbacks' of monorail is that it can block views of the sky, but the sea of skyscrapers are already doing that.

Regardless, congrats on finally getting on this new route and here is hoping it is completed quickly and is fast and efficient. We're still waiting for our Queen St. subway/tunneled LRT here in Toronto.
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Old February 12th, 2008, 08:03 PM   #546
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Why would they crowd the streets with a monorail. The whole purpose of the subway was to get it out of the way and out of the elements such as weather. Besides...that would mean getting a whole new fleet of rolling stock and such...it wouldn't be compatible with the rest of the system.
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Why would they crowd the streets with a monorail. The whole purpose of the subway was to get it out of the way and out of the elements such as weather. Besides...that would mean getting a whole new fleet of rolling stock and such...it wouldn't be compatible with the rest of the system.
A monorail wouldn't 'crowd' the street. A monorail's beam is not that intrusive to the sky view, no more than the sea of sky scrapers at least. Winter weather could be combated with modern heating equipment in the beam, or by building a suspended monorail. Also, I highly doubt that the line plus rolling stock would come to over a billion for each mile built.
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Old February 13th, 2008, 05:48 AM   #548
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Manhattan doesn't want an elevated line. Thats why they tore down the Second Avenue El in the first place.
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Old February 13th, 2008, 06:54 AM   #549
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A monorail wouldn't 'crowd' the street. A monorail's beam is not that intrusive to the sky view, no more than the sea of sky scrapers at least. Winter weather could be combated with modern heating equipment in the beam, or by building a suspended monorail. Also, I highly doubt that the line plus rolling stock would come to over a billion for each mile built.
Obviously you've scarcely dealt with New York. Not only would there be no place to fit a monorail (you'd have to support it into the street, the only street that could work would be Park Avenue because of its median), but if you've ever been down avenues, the wind current is insanely high. The skyscrapers force wind through narrow passages between buildings, creating a type of wind-tunnel. A monorail or any elevated structure would probably fall down. The only exception to this is the area around 125 Street on Broadway because it's in a valley and the cast-iron track layer is at a point where the buildings aren't high enough to create that vortex.
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Old February 13th, 2008, 07:10 AM   #550
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Never heard that theory before about wind forces and I would not believe it regardless. There were many elevated rails in Manhattan before and I am sure that wind would not affect the engineering of them now.

Further above ground rail just doesn't cut it anymore, neither in Manhattan or the rest of New York City. No one wants to see hulking steel blocking their view of the sun for that matter. Thats the reason the link to LaGuardia was shot down, it was all above ground.
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Old February 14th, 2008, 01:59 PM   #552
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Will these have island or side platforms? I'm assuming this will be 2 tracked rather than 4 for express trains.
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Will these have island or side platforms? I'm assuming this will be 2 tracked rather than 4 for express trains.
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Old February 15th, 2008, 02:42 PM   #554
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But there would be no use for express tracks on this line. It connects so many important stations, so having special lines would just be confusing.
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But there would be no use for express tracks on this line. It connects so many important stations, so having special lines would just be confusing.
Not quite as useless as the 8th avenue express. I mean the A train skips two stops between 42nd and chambers streets. Spring Street and 23rd Street. Sometimes when an A train and a E or C train leaves chambers st. at the same time, the E or C gets to 42nd first! Now thats useless!
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Old February 16th, 2008, 08:54 AM   #556
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I've heard rumours about expanding the 7 line from Flushing to Douglaston. However, I've heard these stories since I was 10 in 1968. Any truth to them?

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I've heard rumours about expanding the 7 line from Flushing to Douglaston. However, I've heard these stories since I was 10 in 1968. Any truth to them?

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Nothing has been mentioned about that. The only extension on the 7 line that is currently in the works is the extension in Manhattan to the Hudson River.
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Old February 17th, 2008, 06:49 AM   #558
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I've heard rumours about expanding the 7 line from Flushing to Douglaston. However, I've heard these stories since I was 10 in 1968. Any truth to them?

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Is there are need for this? LIRR already goes there.
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Is there are need for this? LIRR already goes there.
Plus, I think that while there is definitely no plans to eventually get rid of the cities elevated lines outside Manhattan, I think there would be resistance to extending an elevated line in general, especially one with smaller of the two widths used by subway cars.
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Old February 18th, 2008, 12:02 AM   #560
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Not quite as useless as the 8th avenue express. I mean the A train skips two stops between 42nd and chambers streets. Spring Street and 23rd Street. Sometimes when an A train and a E or C train leaves chambers st. at the same time, the E or C gets to 42nd first! Now thats useless!
No, it's not. Four tracks means twice the capacity of two tracks. That's also the main reason why Manhattan's trunk lines have been equipped with four tracks instead of two.
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