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Old February 18th, 2008, 08:19 AM   #561
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NYC subway system counts most riders since early 1950s
7 February 2008

NEW YORK (AP) - Transit officials say New York City subway ridership has hit its highest level in more than half a century.

NYC Transit figures released Wednesday show a total of more than 1.5 billion passengers thronged the trains last year. More than 5 million straphangers hit the subways on an average weekday.

Both figures are the highest since the early 1950s.

NYC Transit says surging tourism and service upgrades have brought more riders. Agency President Howard Roberts Jr. says the increase points up the need to keep improving the transit system to meet the growing demand.
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Old February 19th, 2008, 06:05 AM   #562
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Don't get me wrong, but honestly NYC deserves much better.

The Subway has a huge coverage and does its job very well: it transports millions of people, but that's about it.

When I went to NYC I was disappointed of it. I mean, while walking in Mahanttan, you look around and find yourself surrounded by wonderfull skyscrapers and landmarks everywhere. But when you decide to use the subway and walk down the staris to get in a Station, you feel as if you enter another "reality". The stations were run down, missing tiles on the walls, many lighting fixtures ddn't work (hence the stations were dimly lit)...to make the story short, I've ridden many metro systems in the world, and by far NYC Subway was the one in the worst state.

Please don't take it as an offense, i LOVED the city, but the Subway doesn┤t match NYC's magnificence.
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Old February 19th, 2008, 08:34 AM   #563
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It's very hard to make a very old system modern. Many of the designs cannot be changed unless they raze the station and start from scratch altogether. However, I'm also a bit disappointed over how the stations have evolved. London has done a fairly decent job restoring some of their very old stations as well.
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Old February 19th, 2008, 06:32 PM   #564
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London has done a fairly decent job restoring some of their very old stations as well.
I couldn't resist...

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Considering London's is older and that Paris has done the same, especially with Line 1 which is going to have Platform Screen Doors in some of the oldest stations, I can't see why New York can't do the same.

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Old February 19th, 2008, 11:06 PM   #565
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Different political systems, I guess. When you also consider that New York City isn't the capital of the U.S. nor the state of New York (meaning politicians don't have to take the subway very often), it's hard to get the political clout to get money.
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Old February 20th, 2008, 07:30 PM   #566
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Many politicians in this country don't care about mass transit. It's all about the freeways and the automobiles.
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Old February 21st, 2008, 09:37 AM   #567
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I couldn't resist...

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Notting Hill Gate...

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Considering London's is older and that Paris has done the same, especially with Line 1 which is going to have Platform Screen Doors in some of the oldest stations, I can't see why New York can't do the same.

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Kentish town looks an awful lot like Chalk farm road!
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Old February 21st, 2008, 06:39 PM   #568
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Yes, I noticed too... After I posted it. It's been edited now.
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Old February 22nd, 2008, 06:58 AM   #569
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Many politicians in this country don't care about mass transit. It's all about the freeways and the automobiles.
Not only that, but it's a hard sell to those like Tom Coburn out in Oklahoma, who thoroughly disapproves spending federal money on projects of "limited" impact. Of course, that's reflective of the shortsightedness of much of his constituency. This isn't a unique perspective, unfortunately.
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Old February 22nd, 2008, 08:32 PM   #570
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Unless I'm mistaken, a goodly percentage of NYC's subway stations have been refurbished in recent years. Overall, it is my impression that the system was in worse shape 25 years ago.
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Old February 23rd, 2008, 02:30 AM   #571
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Unless I'm mistaken, a goodly percentage of NYC's subway stations have been refurbished in recent years. Overall, it is my impression that the system was in worse shape 25 years ago.
They do, but the station looks like it was renovated 5 years ago. Some stations are vandalized by people with graffiti. Not to mention the amount of gums on the floor, it's disgusting!
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Old February 23rd, 2008, 12:36 PM   #572
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They do, but the station looks like it was renovated 5 years ago. Some stations are vandalized by people with graffiti. Not to mention the amount of gums on the floor, it's disgusting!
honestly, nyc subway's simply disgraceful for such an important world city. london's definitely done a much better job in updating its underground network. at least the trains are a lot newer and they are constantly upgrading the stations in the network. like nyc, it's a massive network and it takes time to refurbish all of them but at least u can see that it's happening!

in contrary, nyc's subway is dirty, run-down and dangerous. i've heard stories about it before i went there but i never expected it to be actually that bad! trains are knackered and the design of the signs are actually fairly confusing and i struggle to understand why they can't just use alphabets for the lines but not numbers as well. i mean ppl who live in nyc may get used to it but its really difficult for tourists! also are those american flags on the trains really necessary?

think the only positive side about the system is the express trains and that does reduce the travelling time.
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Old February 23rd, 2008, 07:10 PM   #573
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^ The numbers are for the IRT system (Division A), the letters are for the IND and BMT system (Division B). The two divisions are incompatable. Division B trains are wider and longer than Divsion A trains.
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Old February 23rd, 2008, 09:27 PM   #574
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honestly, nyc subway's simply disgraceful for such an important world city. london's definitely done a much better job in updating its underground network. at least the trains are a lot newer and they are constantly upgrading the stations in the network. like nyc, it's a massive network and it takes time to refurbish all of them but at least u can see that it's happening!

in contrary, nyc's subway is dirty, run-down and dangerous. i've heard stories about it before i went there but i never expected it to be actually that bad! trains are knackered and the design of the signs are actually fairly confusing and i struggle to understand why they can't just use alphabets for the lines but not numbers as well. i mean ppl who live in nyc may get used to it but its really difficult for tourists! also are those american flags on the trains really necessary?

think the only positive side about the system is the express trains and that does reduce the travelling time.
What's the problem with the American flags, being that this is America ?
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Old February 24th, 2008, 04:52 AM   #575
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Some people just aren't as patriotic as you.

As for NYC's subway... probably that my post was deleted, but I was making the same points as vvill. NYC subway is just not right for a world-class city such as New York City. I'd go on and say that even Toronto's craptastic subway is better than NYC's.

Finally, the whole network is confusing. Why have BMT, IRT and IND. Why not one whole entity/network incompassing all these three. Why not facilitate the life of every passenger?
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What's the problem with the American flags, being that this is America ?
uber-nationalism is looked down upon in most of the Western World. But it's America's decision, and if Sept 11 happened in my city, then I wouldn't really care about putting a flag on my metro...
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Old February 24th, 2008, 05:46 AM   #577
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uber-nationalism is looked down upon in most of the Western World. But it's America's decision, and if Sept 11 happened in my city, then I wouldn't really care about putting a flag on my metro...
I know it pissed me off seeing all the Aussie flags when I was in Australia in 1992. Over-the-top jingoism, I'd say.
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Some people just aren't as patriotic as you.

As for NYC's subway... probably that my post was deleted, but I was making the same points as vvill. NYC subway is just not right for a world-class city such as New York City. I'd go on and say that even Toronto's craptastic subway is better than NYC's.

Finally, the whole network is confusing. Why have BMT, IRT and IND. Why not one whole entity/network incompassing all these three. Why not facilitate the life of every passenger?
I'm not particularly patriotic really. I just think it's bizarre that a non-American visitor would carp about American flags in America.

Oh, and when I next visit Canada, will you kindly get your Canadian flag out of my face ?
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