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Old February 24th, 2008, 06:35 AM   #581
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That's d-e-f-e-n-s-e.
Gasp, try using the Oxford English Dictionary and you'd find it's spelt with a C. Not everyone spells like the Americans.
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Old February 24th, 2008, 06:46 AM   #582
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Well, ok...back to topic...

My major gripe with the NYC subway is the map. It's like spaghetti. I wish that they would make it more people-friendly like what the Tube has done. Although it looks almost nothing like it really does in real life, it does a good job of making the map easier to understand.

In contrast, anyone who doesn't live in the city and doesn't use the subway on a regular basis won't know how the hell to get out of Manhattan unless they pay extra, extra attention.

And, they could make it a little cleaner...but that maybe asking too much. While it may not be the prettiest metro or the most easiest to understand, the NYC subway does serve it's purpose very well, and is one of the best metro's in my opinion. Best in the US, for sure.
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Old February 24th, 2008, 07:14 AM   #583
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Gasp, try using the Oxford English Dictionary and you'd find it's spelt with a C. Not everyone spells like the Americans.
All of which is to say that lots of [purportedly] English-speaking folks are out of step. And the O.E.D. is way too heavy to be of any real utility. I use mine for dumbell step-ups.
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Old February 24th, 2008, 12:34 PM   #584
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^ The numbers are for the IRT system (Division A), the letters are for the IND and BMT system (Division B). The two divisions are incompatable. Division B trains are wider and longer than Divsion A trains.
but a tourist like me wont care if its IND and BMT as long as i can travel on it. that's why i see no point of using numbers and letters to distinguish the 2 systems!
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Old February 24th, 2008, 04:34 PM   #585
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but a tourist like me wont care if its IND and BMT as long as i can travel on it. that's why i see no point of using numbers and letters to distinguish the 2 systems!
oh come on! Is this really such a big deal??
it's not that hard both with numbers and letters, i think
far far better as the half-mile-long names for the lines in London, which tourists cannot remember so easy. it's a crap to go with the 'hammersmith and city line' and then change to 'east london line' or so, remembering all the line names.
in NYC u just have to remember 'line 1 then change to E or L'. It's much easier, every one have to admit it.
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Old February 24th, 2008, 04:39 PM   #586
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but a tourist like me wont care if its IND and BMT as long as i can travel on it. that's why i see no point of using numbers and letters to distinguish the 2 systems!
IND/BMT is harder to tell apart. You mean IRT/B Division. The main point of having the IRT having numbers and the BMT/IND having letters is surely because you'd run out of space if you use one system, so you might as well have it split administratively.
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Old February 24th, 2008, 06:40 PM   #587
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As for NYC's subway... probably that my post was deleted, but I was making the same points as vvill. NYC subway is just not right for a world-class city such as New York City. I'd go on and say that even Toronto's craptastic subway is better than NYC's.
You've got to be joking. IMO, the NYC subway is by far the best subway system in the world. Not even systems like Tokyo's, Moscow's, or London's can come close to it. It is one of the safest subways in the world too. I know a friend who have fell asleep on a Bronx bound 5 train at 3 am to wake up at the terminal and find his ipod, wallet, cell phone, etc. all still on him. Friends and relatives frequently travel on the subway well past midnight and nothing ever happens to them. They feel perfectly safe on the subway no matter what time it is. You can take it at 2 in the morning and still feel not the slightest bit threatened even if you're traveling through Brooklyn or the Bronx, let alone Manhattan. Try doing that in any other subways (whoops sorry you can't, there aren't any other 24 hr subways). Its express service just puts it ahead of every subway in the world by a wide margin. And the reliability and service that the NYC trains provide is simply excellent. Construction doesn't create massive delays the way it would for two track systems such as the Washington Metro. Honestly, it would be insulting to hear people say Tokyo's metro is better than NYC subway; saying Toronto subway is better than NYC's is just blasphemy.
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Old February 24th, 2008, 08:50 PM   #588
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You've got to be joking. IMO, the NYC subway is by far the best subway system in the world. Not even systems like Tokyo's, Moscow's, or London's can come close to it. It is one of the safest subways in the world too. I know a friend who have fell asleep on a Bronx bound 5 train at 3 am to wake up at the terminal and find his ipod, wallet, cell phone, etc. all still on him. Friends and relatives frequently travel on the subway well past midnight and nothing ever happens to them. They feel perfectly safe on the subway no matter what time it is. You can take it at 2 in the morning and still feel not the slightest bit threatened even if you're traveling through Brooklyn or the Bronx, let alone Manhattan. Try doing that in any other subways (whoops sorry you can't, there aren't any other 24 hr subways). Its express service just puts it ahead of every subway in the world by a wide margin. And the reliability and service that the NYC trains provide is simply excellent. Construction doesn't create massive delays the way it would for two track systems such as the Washington Metro. Honestly, it would be insulting to hear people say Tokyo's metro is better than NYC subway; saying Toronto subway is better than NYC's is just blasphemy.
The MTA does have its own faults, but it does run efficiently [95% of the time]. You have to admit that @ $2, it's a relatively cheap ride going from A to B, whether they are long or short distances, it's still $2.
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Old February 24th, 2008, 10:02 PM   #589
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The MTA does have its own faults, but it does run efficiently [95% of the time]. You have to admit that @ $2, it's a relatively cheap ride going from A to B, whether they are long or short distances, it's still $2.
I agree. I'd say drunkenmonkey is going a bit too far. Our subway is constantly going through maintenance which causes constant delays and changes in routes that makes everything ever so confusing even for some ny'ers. Even so, I wouldn't trade it for any other system in the world(although it would be nice to have more modern and clean stations). God bless the express lines...
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Old February 24th, 2008, 10:40 PM   #590
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Well, ok...back to topic...

My major gripe with the NYC subway is the map. It's like spaghetti. I wish that they would make it more people-friendly like what the Tube has done. Although it looks almost nothing like it really does in real life, it does a good job of making the map easier to understand.

In contrast, anyone who doesn't live in the city and doesn't use the subway on a regular basis won't know how the hell to get out of Manhattan unless they pay extra, extra attention.

And, they could make it a little cleaner...but that maybe asking too much. While it may not be the prettiest metro or the most easiest to understand, the NYC subway does serve it's purpose very well, and is one of the best metro's in my opinion. Best in the US, for sure.
They tried changing the map in the 1970s, and people got really mad with the geographical liberties taken. Seems that because of NYC's orthogonal street setup, people "know" where they are a lot better than in London's tangle of medieval streets, so while most don't know exactly where a stop is in relation to other landmarks in London, if there were an instance of a 96th St stop on the 1-2-3 appearing further downtown than 86th on the A-C-B-D, it would be very confusing, even though it might be more useful for a schematic diagram.
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Old February 24th, 2008, 11:47 PM   #591
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It would be stupid to have a geographically accurate map for London Underground, the lines are too wobbly (see here) New York's subway is more straight because of NY's grid street pattern.
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Old March 5th, 2008, 09:10 AM   #592
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Well, the moving screen maps on the new trains are not geographically accurate, but are adequate enough to tell the riders where they are.
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MTA director: NYC plans could include LaGuardia Airport train
3 March 2008

NEW YORK (AP) - Freight rail lines could be converted into subway lines, new regional train stops could open in the Bronx and a train could take passengers directly to LaGuardia Airport under a 40-year plan proposed by the head of the region's transit agency.

In a "State of the MTA" speech Monday, Metropolitan Transportation Authority executive director Elliot Sander proposed several long-range projects for the agency that runs the city's subways, buses and suburban train lines.

The MTA could look to "underutilized or dormant" services like a freight rail line in the Bay Ridge section of Brooklyn and available land in Rockaway Beach in Queens to extend subway service in decades to come, Sander said.

Sander also said the MTA would explore creating a second AirTrain service to connect LaGuardia Airport to Long Island Rail Road service in Woodside, Queens, as well as light rail service on Staten Island and new Metro-North train stops in the Bronx.

Sander said the MTA would add $30 million worth of promised new service this year, increasing service on 11 subway lines and extending several bus routes.
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I'm surprised that the MTA hasn't done that ealier [connect to LaGuardia]. For such a transit orientated city, you would think that all major transport hubs would be connected. I hate to compare apples and oranges, but all of London's airports are connected, with numerous lines going all over London. It's unfortunate to see NYC lacking something that's really so crucial...
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Old March 6th, 2008, 12:13 PM   #595
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LaGuardia is mostly a domestic airport. JFK and Neward has more international flights, in consideration of that, mess transit is more necessary to connect JFK and Newark than LaGuardia because it can create a more diversified impression of New York City. My point of view anyway.
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Would an extension of the JFK AirTrain from Jamaica into La Guardia be of any use? This was one of the earlier inceptions of the AirTrain service. Only the JFK line got built. Both airports would have connections at Jamaica (to LIRR and subways and buses) which would help for inter-airport transfers. Getting a single seat ride from Jamaica to Newark is another problem.

The La Guardia AirTrain can continue west of the airport to Woodside as suggested. A connection to Astoria would be better as it is closer and the N/W lines serve more areas than the 7. If the Port Authority (who has jurisdictional authority for the line) approves, perhaps a stop can be thrown in at Shea Stadium (read additional revenue) which would tie in to both the 7 and Port Washington LIRR.
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I'm surprised that the MTA hasn't done that ealier [connect to LaGuardia]. For such a transit orientated city, you would think that all major transport hubs would be connected. I hate to compare apples and oranges, but all of London's airports are connected, with numerous lines going all over London. It's unfortunate to see NYC lacking something that's really so crucial...
London being the capital and largest city of the country can suck the funds it wants to out of the UK's treasury. New York City is not even the capital of its state, let alone the country.

Simple enough. Does not make it right, but, everyone loves to treat this city like a cash cow, and we lack the ability at the state and federal level to get the infrastructure we need.
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Well said. I'm sure if ny was the capital of the U.S we'd be twice as important than we are today...
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LaGuardia is mostly a domestic airport. JFK and Neward has more international flights, in consideration of that, mess transit is more necessary to connect JFK and Newark than LaGuardia because it can create a more diversified impression of New York City. My point of view anyway.
Whether domestic or international every airport needs a reliable and quick mass transit connection to the city and maybe most of all the city centre.
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^ Agreed. We should judge by passenger numbers, not the type of airport.
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