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Old February 21st, 2009, 04:07 AM   #881
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i guess it could be privatized, given very strict government regulation and oversight.

but that would take away most of the incentive for the private company. the main focus of any private corporation is to make a profit. privatizing a natural monopoly like the subway would... well, it'd result in squeezing the absolute highest profit out of its often captive users.
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Old February 21st, 2009, 06:14 AM   #882
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Yeah. America needs less cars now goddamnit! And with the new stimulus package, in ration of spending to population, it appears DC is getting more money. (NY state, is getting more in dollars, but in comparison to population it's not as much DC, NY is something like $170 per capita, where DC is equally to $400+) And the world wonders why D.C. has a better subway system... Ug.
The DC subway is predominantly funded by the federal government. The federal government paid for its construction.

The NYC subway is mostly on its own when it comes to funding. It gets some support for capital projects but that's it.
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Yeah. America needs less cars now goddamnit! And with the new stimulus package, in ration of spending to population, it appears DC is getting more money. (NY state, is getting more in dollars, but in comparison to population it's not as much DC, NY is something like $170 per capita, where DC is equally to $400+) And the world wonders why D.C. has a better subway system... Ug.
Who in the world wonders that?
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Old February 22nd, 2009, 03:56 AM   #884
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That's a really cool postcard. I hope it does get restored and modernized. It would be awesome.
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Old February 22nd, 2009, 06:55 AM   #885
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Yeah. America needs less cars now goddamnit! And with the new stimulus package, in ration of spending to population, it appears DC is getting more money. (NY state, is getting more in dollars, but in comparison to population it's not as much DC, NY is something like $170 per capita, where DC is equally to $400+) And the world wonders why D.C. has a better subway system... Ug.
how much did new york get?
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Old February 24th, 2009, 02:49 AM   #886
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I wish they would bring back the JFK express but more modernized. Im telling you the 1980s killed the NYCS. They need to update it majorly. Mabey with a connection to the Staten Isand RR because it uses the same trains and the same platform depth as the IRT.
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Old February 24th, 2009, 04:27 AM   #887
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Subway and Bus Ridership Sets Record

Despite a slumping economy, New York City Transit recorded a total of 2.37 billion rides across the city’s subways and buses in 2008, a 3.1 percent increase from 2007 and the highest figure since 1965. Transit officials attributed the increase to higher gasoline prices, increased tourism and continued residential growth in city neighborhoods — though all of those indicators have changed course as the recession has deepened.

The subways delivered 1.62 billion rides, a 3.9 percent increase from 2007 and the highest annual subway ridership since 1950, when the city was packed with industrial workers, military veterans and immigrants. (The transit system records rides, not riders; there is no way to tell how many rides were taken by the same individual, but the typical commuter takes at least two rides each workday.)

The ridership growth trend, which began in 2004, “slowed considerably toward the end of the year, due to the declining economy,” officials said. New York City Transit, part of the Metropolitan Transportation Authority, said in a statement:

In 2008, average weekday bus and subway ridership was 7.6 million, an increase of 2.8 percent from 2007 and the highest since 1969. For the first nine months of 2008 average weekday ridership increased 3.6 percent from the first nine months of 2007. In contrast, average weekday ridership for the fourth quarter of 2008 increased only 0.4 percent from the fourth quarter of 2007.

Bronx subway ridership showed the strongest rate of increase, up 6.2 percent from 2007 to 2008, nearly double the systemwide increase.

The subway line with the largest weekday growth from 2007 to 2008 was the L line, with an 8.5 percent increase in ridership. Seven stations, situated all along the line, had more than 10 percent growth: First Avenue in Manhattan, and the Bedford, Wilson, Bushwick (Aberdeen Street), Atlantic, Livonia and New Lots stations in Brooklyn. Weekday ridership on the L line has grown 29 percent since 2003 and 79 percent since 1998.

“The L line’s growth is not surprising, given that it has been the fastest growing line in the system for years,” said Howard H. Roberts Jr., president of New York City Transit.

The N line, which travels from Astoria, Queens, to Coney Island, Brooklyn, had the second largest weekday ridership growth, with an 8.1 percent increase. Ridership has grown 48 percent since 2003 and 111 percent since 1998, in part because of service improvements that followed the rehabilitation of the Manhattan Bridge in 2004.

Of the eight stations with the largest weekday ridership growth from 2007 to 2008, four were in areas of new residential development: Vernon Boulevard-Jackson Avenue along the No. 7 line in Long Island City, Queens (up 19 percent), Beach 44th Street on the A line in the Rockaways, Queens (up 16 percent), the Bowery station on the J, M and Z lines on the Lower East Side (up 16 percent), and York Street on the F line in Dumbo, Brooklyn (up 15 percent).

Bus ridership in 2008 also rose, but not as sharply as subway ridership. Annual bus ridership in 2008 was 747 million, a 1.2 percent increase over 2007, and the highest since 2002. Average weekday ridership in 2008 rose slightly, by 0.9 percent, to 2.4 million, the highest since 2006.

The Bx12 Select Bus Service, an experiment that began last summer, showed signs of success. The line has traffic signals calibrated to pause before turning yellow and red if a bus is approaching, and it requires passengers to pay before they board.

From August to December, weekday ridership on the entire Bx12 corridor (including the Select Bus Service as well as local buses) was up 9.4 percent from the same period of 2007 to 2008. “The success of Select Bus Service demonstrates how the use of innovative technology combined with the cooperation of our city and state partners can yield enormous benefits for our customers and for service,” said Joseph J. Smith, senior vice president for buses at New York City Transit. “S.B.S. is the blueprint for how we’d like to improve bus service citywide.”

http://cityroom.blogs.nytimes.com/20...ership-record/
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Old February 24th, 2009, 01:40 PM   #888
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Maybe a reason for the growth of the L Line comes from the new fleet it has and the rising neighborhoods that are on the L (e.g. Williamsburg)
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Old February 25th, 2009, 04:22 AM   #889
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NYC subway ridership drops after soaring in 2008
February 23, 2009

NEW YORK - Transit officials say New York City subway ridership has started slipping after hitting its highest level since 1950 last year, a decline that could indicate job losses are starting to take a toll on the subway.

Just a day after announcing 2008's soaring rider total, Metropolitan Transportation Authority officials said Monday that average weekday subway ridership dropped by 2 percent last month, compared to January 2008. The weekday average was about 4.9 million trips last month.

It was the first such decline in five years that wasn't attributed to bad weather or an unusual number of weekday holidays.

Falling ridership and fare collections could add to the MTA's financial burdens. Officials say real-estate tax revenues this year so far are $75 million below already lowered projections.

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Old February 25th, 2009, 08:38 PM   #890
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This map on wikipedia is rather good - it's simpler than the Kick Map (by not showing surface features like roads and neighbourhoods on there, and removing the exact geographicalness of the Kick Map). It shows rushhour/off peak services nicely as well as local and express.

The biggest problem I think there is with decent NYS maps is that they have to be massive to fit everything on.
that is a very good map as you can actually understand where all the trains go! but you will never work out how long a journey will take...
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Old February 25th, 2009, 09:39 PM   #891
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http://www.nypost.com/seven/02252009...ome_156879.htm

The Second Avenue subway is slated to receive $280 million, and $210 million is reserved for connecting the Long Island Rail Road to Grand Central Terminal, Sen. Charles Schumer said yesterday.
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Old February 26th, 2009, 12:24 AM   #892
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that is a very good map as you can actually understand where all the trains go! but you will never work out how long a journey will take...
and any other map would? They don't show line speeds, dwell times or anything. The geographical map wouldn't be able to tell you that you have to wait at a certain junction for a minute every now and again, nor dwell times (though will help with distance and curvyness, allowing a decent estimate).

There's a version of the London Underground Beck-style map with approx journey times. Doesn't deal with dwell times, or hold ups at junctions, either - TfL's journey planner is more accurate (there's a dynamic map that uses this data), though travel time maps are often on platforms, showing times via direct trains to other stations.
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Old February 26th, 2009, 05:55 AM   #893
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Automated L train rolls out



The L train tested its first driverless train.


BY Matthew Lysiak and Pete Donohue
Tuesday, February 24th 2009

Robotrain passed its biggest test yet early Tuesday with a computerized system driving trains for about five hours on the L line, NYC Transit said.

"It did very well for the first night," NYC Transit spokesman Charles Seaton said. "It operated as designed."

Seven trains carried passengers along the Manhattan-Brooklyn line between 12:30a.m. and 5:30 a.m.

It was a smooth ride, with the computer doing the braking and accelerating instead of a motorman.

"The future has arrived, and it feels weird," Natasha Fletcher, 22, a student from Canarsie, Brooklyn, said.

The $326 million upgrade replaces an antiquated signals and communications network that required trains be spaced farther apart as they moved though different zones on the line.

Computerization should allow trains to run closer together, enabling NYC Transit to provide more frequent service, officials said.

With just two tracks, there are limits to how many trains can be squeezed together during peak hours, but an eight-car train can carry about 1,500 riders, officials said.

The L is the first line to get the technology, but NYC Transit wants to expand it to other routes - if it gets the funding for its capital construction program.

Motormen remained in their cabs Tuesday during the robotrain's first shift.

They were ready to put their trains into manual mode and take over if something went wrong, officials said.

If transit officials had their way, conductors wouldn't have made the trip at all.

Several years ago, NYC Transit proposed axing the post to save money, but Transport Workers Union Local 100 successfully challenged the plan as a contract violation.

The automatic system - called the Communications Based Train Control - will be in use on the overnight shift for a couple of weeks, Seaton said.

If all goes well, it will be used between the morning and evening rush hours, he said, noting it's still unclear when the line will go all robo all the time.

Anthony Candarini, a project manager, said CBTC is safer "because the computer sensors can see things that the motormen can't."

Fully implementing the system has been delayed many times over the years due to software problems, technical glitches and a failure to order enough CBTC-ready subway cars.

"It's a lot of work," Candarini said. "The system is immensely complicated because of all the switches and curves," Candarini said.

In addition to the regular late-night riders - who were unaware of the change - robotrain attracted some straphangers wanting to see history in the making.

Transportation buff Benjamin Schaeffer stood near the cabin for a front-row seat as the first automatic train pulled out of the Eighth Ave. station in Manhattan.

"I'm very impressed with the ride," Schaeffer said. "This train has been long overdue for the city of New York."


http://www.nydailynews.com/ny_local/...rolls_out.html
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Old February 27th, 2009, 12:00 AM   #894
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Automated L train rolls out

If transit officials had their way, conductors wouldn't have made the trip at all.

Several years ago, NYC Transit proposed axing the post to save money, but Transport Workers Union Local 100 successfully challenged the plan as a contract violation.
http://www.nydailynews.com/ny_local/...rolls_out.html
Damn unions. The MTA could've saved so much money, money that could be used to improve conditions and service. And the MTA wouldn't have had to let go of all of their conductors: some could be used to drive additional trains, or work as station booth agents, or customer service agents in stations, or in maintenance...
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Old February 27th, 2009, 12:09 AM   #895
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Automated L train rolls out

If transit officials had their way, conductors wouldn't have made the trip at all.

Several years ago, NYC Transit proposed axing the post to save money, but Transport Workers Union Local 100 successfully challenged the plan as a contract violation.
http://www.nydailynews.com/ny_local/...rolls_out.html
Damn unions. The MTA could've saved so much money, money that could be used to improve conditions and service. And the MTA wouldn't have had to let go of all of their conductors: some could be used to drive additional trains, or work as station booth agents, or customer service agents in stations, or in maintenance...
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Old February 28th, 2009, 05:44 AM   #896
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The Second Avenue subway is slated to receive $280 million, and $210 million is reserved for connecting the Long Island Rail Road to Grand Central Terminal, Sen. Charles Schumer said yesterday.
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Old February 28th, 2009, 04:29 PM   #897
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Another system that might be worth mentioning is MARTA... I know it's not the best but I remember reading about a lot of ambitious expansions they were planning.
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The L train tested its first driverless train.


BY Matthew Lysiak and Pete Donohue
Tuesday, February 24th 2009

Robotrain passed its biggest test yet early Tuesday with a computerized system driving trains for about five hours on the L line, NYC Transit said.

"It did very well for the first night," NYC Transit spokesman Charles Seaton said. "It operated as designed."

Seven trains carried passengers along the Manhattan-Brooklyn line between 12:30a.m. and 5:30 a.m.

It was a smooth ride, with the computer doing the braking and accelerating instead of a motorman.

"The future has arrived, and it feels weird," Natasha Fletcher, 22, a student from Canarsie, Brooklyn, said.

The $326 million upgrade replaces an antiquated signals and communications network that required trains be spaced farther apart as they moved though different zones on the line.

Computerization should allow trains to run closer together, enabling NYC Transit to provide more frequent service, officials said.

With just two tracks, there are limits to how many trains can be squeezed together during peak hours, but an eight-car train can carry about 1,500 riders, officials said.

The L is the first line to get the technology, but NYC Transit wants to expand it to other routes - if it gets the funding for its capital construction program.

Motormen remained in their cabs Tuesday during the robotrain's first shift.

They were ready to put their trains into manual mode and take over if something went wrong, officials said.

If transit officials had their way, conductors wouldn't have made the trip at all.

Several years ago, NYC Transit proposed axing the post to save money, but Transport Workers Union Local 100 successfully challenged the plan as a contract violation.

The automatic system - called the Communications Based Train Control - will be in use on the overnight shift for a couple of weeks, Seaton said.

If all goes well, it will be used between the morning and evening rush hours, he said, noting it's still unclear when the line will go all robo all the time.

Anthony Candarini, a project manager, said CBTC is safer "because the computer sensors can see things that the motormen can't."

Fully implementing the system has been delayed many times over the years due to software problems, technical glitches and a failure to order enough CBTC-ready subway cars.

"It's a lot of work," Candarini said. "The system is immensely complicated because of all the switches and curves," Candarini said.

In addition to the regular late-night riders - who were unaware of the change - robotrain attracted some straphangers wanting to see history in the making.

Transportation buff Benjamin Schaeffer stood near the cabin for a front-row seat as the first automatic train pulled out of the Eighth Ave. station in Manhattan.

"I'm very impressed with the ride," Schaeffer said. "This train has been long overdue for the city of New York."


http://www.nydailynews.com/ny_local/...rolls_out.html

If they expand it to all the routes, there will be no more Union workers to worry about, right? Except maybe an engineer or two.
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It's kind of funny that even with the US's love for highways and automobiles over mass transit, NYC has the worst highways and roads in the country... Highways like 278, 95, 87, in NYC shouldn't even be considered interstates since they are blatantly in violation of interstate standards... and roads like the FDR or Jackie Robinson are laughable.

I would like to know where all of NYC's tax dollars are going cause they are not going into their infrastructure both on the highway or mass transit level.
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Old March 1st, 2009, 09:08 PM   #900
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Doesn't NY get relatively few tax dollars at all? Because it is not even a state capital etc.
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