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Old March 17th, 2009, 12:26 AM   #921
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Probably b/c of existing infrastructure nearby, but yeah it does suck how they can't build a straight platform.
No, I'm talking about the new Hudson tunnels here
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Old March 17th, 2009, 04:32 AM   #922
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New Subway Station Opens Downtown
NY1 News, Monday March 16, 2009

Starting today, the Number 1 train will come to a stop at a brand new station, as the long-awaited $530 million South Ferry station opens in Lower Manhattan.
Governor David Paterson and Metropolitan Transportation Authority Executive Director Elliot "Lee" Sanders were among the many officials on hand for the official ribbon-cutting ceremony this morning.
The new station, which became fully operational at noon, does not force passengers to be in one of the first five cars to exit the train. All 10 cars now open at the station.
"By Rector Street, there's normally a mad dash to get to those five cars or to figure out whether you're in one of them," said the governor. "And then, eventually, when the train finally reaches South Ferry, some people get off, some people get stranded. At 12 o'clock today, we will retire this unfortunate tradition here in New York State."
There is also be more than one entrance, more than one track, and a free underground transfer to the R, W train at Whitehall Street.
"What we're giving riders today is a portal into the 21st century and transportation fairness," said Congressman Michael McMahon.
The elimination of sharp curves means trains will be able to run faster – speeding up commutes.
"We will see a dramatic improvement in operation," said MTA Capital Construction President Michael Horodniceanu. "We expect to move passengers faster, better and more efficiently."
The station – the first new one in 20 years – is also fully accessible to handicapped passengers.
Another perk for riders, the platforms will be cooled during the summer months.
Straphangers say they cannot wait to start using the new station.
"This used to be the greatest deal in the city, the Staten Island ferry, now they're opening the subway station," said one subway rider. "You can't beat that."
"On the weekends, I visit friends and family and so I use the 1 train a lot to go on Broadway, so I'm excited," said another.
The project was completed two years late and $130 million over budget. Plans to open the station in January had to be pushed back after inspectors found the gap between the cars and platform was too wide.
"The station is on a curve. That resulted in a gap in excess of three inches," explained Horodniceanu. "They were addressed, and cheaper than we thought. We did it with a lot of labor in house."
Horodniceanu said any previous problems with water leaks have also been dealt with.

http://www.ny1.com/content/top_stori...n/Default.aspx


Probably b/c of existing infrastructure nearby, but yeah it does suck how they can't build a straight platform.

>>>Shortly afterwards...<<<
Subway service resumes after water main break
Eyewitness News, Monday March 16, 2009

NEW YORK (WABC) -- No. 1 subway service south of 14th Street has resumed after getting knocked out by a water main break.
The service suspension meant trains were unable to get to the new South Ferry subway station on its first day of service.
The main broke around 1:00 p.m. at intersection of Canal and Varick streets in TriBeCa, flooding the Canal Street station.
Because of the water condition, South Ferry-bound No. 1 trains were turning at the 14th Street station.
The break also caused problems for riders of the 2, 3, 4 and 5 trains.

Trains resumed their normal routes shortly before 4:00 p.m.
http://abclocal.go.com/wabc/story?se...fic&id=6712318
Even after the delay, the Lexington Avenue line was horrible during the P.M. rush. Only the 4 train showed up, no 5 to be seen, hence over crowding on the 4! It was a terrible commute! I waited 15 minutes at Union Square just to fit inside.
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Old March 18th, 2009, 06:17 AM   #923
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With tolls out, Senate nears temporary MTA fix
By Benjamin Kabak

When all permanent measures fail, take the temporary road. That’s the lesson the State Senate is prepared to unleash upon the Metropolitan Transportation Authority, according to sources in Albany.

Faced with a March 25 deadline, irrational hatred of East River bridge tolls, an Assembly on board with Richard Ravitch and the need to do something quickly, the State Senate is prepared to unveil a temporary fix that will solve the MTA’s budget problems for this year.

According to NY1, the plan is a stop-gap measure: Tolls are out, any support for the MTA’s capital plan is out and a 25 percent fare hike is out. In will be a payroll tax, a four percent fare hike and a few other measures. While Richard Ravitch, the architect behind an equitable tax-toll-fare hike plan that would have saved the MTA, warned Albany against temporary fixes, the State Senate has all but officially rejected tolls and is going its own way.

Nicholas Confessore and William Neuman, writing an elegy to the East River bridge tolls in The Times, called the latest plan a “a scaled-back, short-term alternative to bail out the authority.” Reports the duo:

The Senate proposal, which was presented privately to Democratic Senators on Monday afternoon, would include a 4 percent fare increase, half of what Mr. Ravitch had proposed. It would also impose a tax of 25 cents on every $100 of payroll on employers within the 12 counties served by the authority. That would be significantly less than the 34 cents that Mr. Ravitch had proposed.

“The immediate impact would be, all service cuts are restored, fare increases would be cut in half, and there would be no tolls,” said one of the two people briefed on the plan.

Democratic staff members reviewed some of the authority’s finances in recent days and concluded that a scaled-back plan would suffice in the short term. But the Senate proposal would require the transportation authority to submit to a deeper forensic auditing, a step lawmakers from both parties have demanded as a condition of laying out more taxpayer money for the authority, long dogged by waste and corruption.

Senate staff members have not finished calculating precisely how much revenue their plan would generate. But it would clearly be far less than Mr. Ravitch’s plan, requiring lawmakers to return to the issue again within months. But one of the two people who were briefed said that since the authority’s capital spending plan was already financed through the end of this year, Senate Democrats believed there was time to return later to find a more comprehensive solution.

If this is what Carl Kruger earlier on Monday called “comprehensive and so outside the box that everybody should want to partner with it,” it’s clearly time for some new New York state leadership.

This is really just a punt by the State Senate. They’re enacting the least offensive measures of the Ravitch Plan while pushing off the MTA’s impending Doomsday by a few more months. Richard Ravitch knows what he’s talking about, and Sheldon Silvery, the Assembly speaker prepared to support tolls, recognizes now what the Senate will have to again tackle in a few months. The MTA’s long-term fix lies with the East River tolls just as it rested on the Triborough Bridge revenue a few decades ago.

If this is actually the plan to emerge from the Senate, I guess transit supporters should be happy. After all, if the MTA doesn’t have to cut back service while raising fares just four percent, New York has been saved from a transit doomsday. The MTA, though, is left with no clear vision for a future at a time when it should be laying the financial groundwork for more of the Second Ave. subway and more capital projects.

In six months or so, the Senate will have to revisit this issue. Maybe by then Malcolm Smith can corral the missing toll votes. The battle might be over, the war in a truce, but this whole story — a Ravitch-inspired fix that will require sacrifices from everyone — isn’t over yet.

http://secondavenuesagas.com/2009/03...orary-mta-fix/

The State Senate’s MTA Financing Plan Doesn’t Add Up

by Aaron Naparstek on March 17, 2009

Here's one little problem with the Kruger, Diaz, Espada, Monserrate MTA financing plan: They got the math wrong.

The State Senators (for convenience sake, let just refer to them "The Fare Hike Four" from now on) say they can satisfy the MTA's short-term financing needs with a four percent fare and toll hike and a small payroll tax increase. The MTA says that math doesn't work, according to Reuters:

- The MTA's chairman, H. Dale Hemmerdinger, estimated the Senate plan would force the agency to raise fares and tolls by 17 percent -- about four times more than the Senate calculated -- as it would only raise about $1 billion more.

I suppose it comes down to a question of who do you trust more with the numbers, Richard Ravitch or four venal, old pols in the nation's most dysfunctional state legislature? If that's a tough call for you, then it's probably worth noting that Ravitch spent considerably more time working out his financing plan than did The Fare Hike Four. As Kathy Wylde at the Parternship for New York City says:

- The State Senate has had almost a year to join the public discussion of funding for the transportation system. They waited until the very end of the process to come forward with a proposal that provides not a nickel for system maintenance and badly needed expansion of bus service, let alone a full capital program. It is time for both sides of the Senate -- Democrat and Republican -- to join the Governor and the Assembly in support of some version of the Ravitch Commission Plan.

http://www.streetsblog.org/2009/03/1...doesnt-add-up/

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Old March 18th, 2009, 07:23 PM   #924
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NYC transit fares may rise 25-30 pct - MTA chair
13 March 2009

NEW YORK (Reuters) - Fares on New York City subways, buses and commuter trains could rise by 25 to 30 percent this year if the state legislature fails to approve extra funding, the chairman of the state's mass transit authority warned on Friday.

The cash-strapped Metropolitan Transportation Authority, the biggest U.S. mass transit agency, must vote to raise fares and tolls on bridges and tunnels and ax some bus and subway services by March 25 to start putting these decisions into effect in June, Chairman H. Dale Hemmerdinger said.

"We will be faced with similar choices next year, beginning with the preliminary budget in July, and for years to come," Hemmerdinger said at a special board meeting that was webcast.

The current single-ride fare for the city's subways and buses is $2.00.

Some 1,100 transit workers also will be laid off if the state does not come through, Hemmerdinger said..

But "painful" fare increases and service cuts could be spared even if the state cobbles together a rescue plan after March 25, Hemmerdinger said, though he warned against one-time fixes that do not solve multi-year shortfalls.

"If circumstances do change after the 25th, we will be flexible of course but we just can't afford to wait," he said, noting the agency, which carries nearly 9 million people a day, must balance its books by federal law.

The state Senate has not accepted either a financial bailout plan crafted by a former authority chairman, Richard Ravitch, or an alternative proposed by the Democratic-led state Assembly.

Ravitch has recommended imposing a toll of $5 on the city's bridges across the Harlem and East rivers that are now free. The Assembly recommended imposing a toll of $2.
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Old March 19th, 2009, 02:35 AM   #925
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I heard that the MTA is planning another raise in 2010? This is ridiculous! What are they exactly doing with all the money??
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Old March 19th, 2009, 04:49 PM   #926
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I heard that the MTA is planning another raise in 2010? This is ridiculous! What are they exactly doing with all the money??
Its still a lot cheaper than London Underground! lol
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Old March 20th, 2009, 12:31 AM   #927
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This city is getting worse and worse...money is not enough and this not fair at all.
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Old March 20th, 2009, 10:02 PM   #928
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What are they exactly doing with all the money??
well currently they're underfunded by a couple billion. so it will go to offset that.
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Old March 21st, 2009, 05:32 AM   #929
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they should've tooooollleeed itttt....
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Old March 23rd, 2009, 06:54 AM   #930
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The MTA needs a more stable funding source- similar to that of Paris' mass transit system.

Income taxes and federal subsidies should account for more of the funding instead of sales and real estate transaction taxes. A federal law guaranteeing funding should be passed. That is the way it works in France.

It is amazing how the solutions to most of America's problems have already been found- in other countries. How about we get rid of our "America is the best" mindset and realize that we can learn from other countries.
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Old March 24th, 2009, 03:35 AM   #931
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New South Ferry Station pictures:

http://www.nydailynews.com/ny_local/...ready.html#ph0
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Old March 24th, 2009, 12:25 PM   #933
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OMG!
It looks awesome! Probably the first nice looking station in the whole NYC metro system!

The tree motiv is very very nice!
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Bad News for New Yorkers MTA is increasing prices while cutting services
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South Ferry Station looks fantastic. Now all we've got to do is make visitors to NYC think that that's what the rest of the stations look like.
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Old March 25th, 2009, 01:26 AM   #936
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I bet you a year from now, that message "Welcome to the new South Ferry" will still be there...since it will be the only new station for a while until SAS is finished.
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Old March 25th, 2009, 10:43 AM   #937
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The South Ferry station is an improvement to other NYC stations but still far from its Asian and European counterparts.
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The ceiling looks quite low. This is just a renovation, right?
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The ceiling looks quite low. This is just a renovation, right?
It's a complete re-build, in a slightly different location. The ceiling doesn't look that low - it's higher that most ceilings on the London Underground. What were you expecting - a Jubilee Line Extension-style underground cathedral that costs far too much?
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Also, a lot of lines and stations in New York are very shallow because of the geology, which is good news from the point of view of getting to and from the platforms but doesn’t leave room for massive tunnels.
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