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Old July 22nd, 2010, 01:59 AM   #1121
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The MTA is one of the most corrupt Transit Agencies in the US , wasting Millions and jacking up fares......
You've been misdirected by the clowns in Albany who keep on stealing the MTA's money, they're the one's to blame, not the MTA.
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Old July 22nd, 2010, 02:17 AM   #1122
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While I'm not a resident of NYC, I would say MTA seems to be one of the better transit agencies in North America. Even with their service cutbacks, at least the MTA attempts to minimize the effects on commuters.

http://www.humantransit.org/2010/01/...ctiveness.html
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Old July 22nd, 2010, 02:29 AM   #1123
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A looong time ago I posted a self-made graph on the rise in prices of the single ride versus unlimited metrocard (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showth...d#post34314456) ...now the Wall Street Journal has one as well:

http://secondavenuesagas.com/2010/07...ecome-limited/
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Old July 22nd, 2010, 06:00 AM   #1124
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You've been misdirected by the clowns in Albany who keep on stealing the MTA's money, they're the one's to blame, not the MTA.
No , its more MTA then Albany......they keep hiring ppl and paying them 600k for jobs that are not needed. CH 11 has undercovered at least 2 million in excess wasteful spending....
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Old July 22nd, 2010, 06:01 AM   #1125
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While I'm not a resident of NYC, I would say MTA seems to be one of the better transit agencies in North America. Even with their service cutbacks, at least the MTA attempts to minimize the effects on commuters.

http://www.humantransit.org/2010/01/...ctiveness.html
WMATA does a better job then the MTA......they don't minimize it , its gotten so bad that now its better to pay the extra 5-12 $ and ride form the outer edges of the city into via the Commuter Rail lines instead of the subway....
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Old July 24th, 2010, 06:36 PM   #1126
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Just checked the Metro North fares and noted Grand Central - 125th Street Harlem costs $5.94 for webticket, and $6.25 at the station! That's quite a premium!
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Old August 1st, 2010, 11:36 PM   #1127
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Commuter Rail vs Subway in New York

Hey, I'm just wondering what kinds of demographics generally ride the commuter rail leading into Manhattan versus the riders of the different subway lines through the boroughs?

Are there more wealthy riders on the long island railroad for example than the subway lines going from Brooklyn to the financial district in Manhattan?

I'm not from New York, so I'm just trying to get a better understanding of what the attitudes there are towards these two forms of public transit within the city.

It might be helpful is someone could stereotype the different classes of riders for each.
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Old August 2nd, 2010, 12:09 AM   #1128
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meh , double posting topic , answered it somewhere else
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Old August 2nd, 2010, 02:54 AM   #1129
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That is what happens when your transit funding depends on mercy from annual tax budgets. There ought to be a 100% recover farebox requirement for every operational transit system in US.

I agree that construction of new infrastructure can be financed by general revenue, but a PT system OUGHT TO pay its operational costs in full by fare collection. Otherwise, it would be like people asking for permanent tax-credit to fill their cars up.
I hate to break it to you, but no system in the world can or will make a 100% farebox recovery ratio, and that includes Tokyo and Hong Kong. However, the MTR Corporation in Hong Kong does make a profit, but is also a private company that makes a fortune of of real estate above its stations. It's an interesting model that could plausibly solve the MTA's problems although it will never be implemented. Let's say that the landlord of any building that lies on the block of a subway entrance must give 10% of its rental income to the MTA as a "subway-promixate bonus." If we say that in Midtown the average office space price is $30/sq ft and we take a building the size of the Hearst Tower (861,000 sq ft), then the MTA would make $2.6m off of that building alone. If there are 10 buildings on that block, then it's $26m, and 30 blocks, that's $780m, and so on. You can see how that'd work out, and that's in Midtown alone. Unfortunately, there's no way anything like that could get passed, although any new development could have such a premium levied upon it.
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Old August 2nd, 2010, 09:02 AM   #1130
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No , its more MTA then Albany......they keep hiring ppl and paying them 600k for jobs that are not needed. CH 11 has undercovered at least 2 million in excess wasteful spending....
Sign number one that your easily swayed. You think that 2 million dollars on a budget that is over 100 times that is wasteful spending.

You should look at the amount of funding both the City and the State have implemented in the last 10 years. While the MTA is "corrupt", most if not all government agencies (and corporations) are inefficient. However, to say it's more the MTA than Albany over 2 million, that is laughable.
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Old August 2nd, 2010, 09:04 AM   #1131
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Sign number one that your easily swayed. You think that 2 million dollars on a budget that is over 100 times that is wasteful spending.

You should look at the amount of funding both the City and the State have implemented in the last 10 years. While the MTA is "corrupt", most if not all government agencies (and corporations) are inefficient. However, to say it's more the MTA than Albany over 2 million, that is laughable.
Both the MTA and ALbany are corrupt , New Yorkers voices are not being heard
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Old August 2nd, 2010, 12:02 PM   #1132
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I hate to break it to you, but no system in the world can or will make a 100% farebox recovery ratio, and that includes Tokyo and Hong Kong.
Wrong on both counts:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Farebox_recovery_ratio

Obviously, the Wiki article isn't very comprehensive or up-to-date, but you get the idea...
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Old August 3rd, 2010, 08:59 PM   #1133
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Wrong on both counts:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Farebox_recovery_ratio

Obviously, the Wiki article isn't very comprehensive or up-to-date, but you get the idea...
I am not saying that the idea is not correct, but a lot of those numbers are over 20 years old, especially the numbers for Japan and Europe. They also seem to sample very random cities, dates, and do not account for expansion operation costs, such as the numbers for Austin which lists a 9% recovery. Austin was building a rail line at the time, funded locally by the agency and the line did not start running until 2010.

But overall the idea is sound, I would just like to see more recent numbers and have some other factors taken into consideration.

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Old August 14th, 2010, 06:44 AM   #1134
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Gothamist: How The MTA Stacks Up Against Other US Cities:

http://gothamist.com/2010/08/12/a_co...cities_met.php
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Old August 20th, 2010, 12:04 AM   #1135
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Unfortunately, most transit agencies are like that though.
not all transit agencies are like that though.........the DMRC (Delhi Metro Rail Corporation) here in Delhi is a truly wonderful authority with absolutely no corruption at all and no cost overruns or delays in construction in its 15 years of existence uptill now ......
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Old August 22nd, 2010, 04:12 PM   #1136
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Not to mention they're making profit. Not overall obviously but they're able to pay back their loan to Japan with interest.
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Old August 22nd, 2010, 05:49 PM   #1137
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This comes down to government over spending surely - sounds to me as though MTA may have turned into an inadvertent scapegoat for budget cuts. Also, I know it sounds a bit harsh but no one is forcing anyone to use the subway and given the alternatives, it's still a cheaper option for most people.
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Old August 22nd, 2010, 08:31 PM   #1138
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This comes down to government over spending surely - sounds to me as though MTA may have turned into an inadvertent scapegoat for budget cuts. Also, I know it sounds a bit harsh but no one is forcing anyone to use the subway and given the alternatives, it's still a cheaper option for most people.
Its a corrupted agency needs to be cleaned out they wasted millions. Now safety has been compromised on the LIRR and Subway system due to there wasteful spending. Ppl who blame Albany and not the agency don't know what there talking about.
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Is it possible to charge much higher fare during late night or early morning trains? Charge 2.25 for rush hour or afternoon.
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Old August 23rd, 2010, 07:32 AM   #1140
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You are a genius my Korean friend!!

I'm sure there's a way to implement turnstiles which monitor the time of day and charge accordingly. Of course prepaid MetroCards such as Unlimited Ride and School cards would be fixed at a different price while we could perhaps have $2 during the off peak hours $2.25 at peak times and $2.50 at late nights.

It could provide some relief but then MTA will start bitching abt lack of funding.
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