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Old February 19th, 2011, 11:44 AM   #1161
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Taxes are meant to funding government activities. Just because something like MTA is a public service doesn't mean it should have a stable price. From the first you can't derive the second.
Except that having a stable price is part and parcel of that public service. Part of the appeal of subsidized mass transit is that personal transportation costs can be anticipated and budgeted for. In a system with constantly fluctuating prices, this would be impossible. Not only that, but capital investment would be disincentivized, as price rationing (over the course of a day, extremely high during rush hour, extremely low overnight) of existing infrastructure would bring in the desired revenue while minimizing strain on the system. Of course, the point, as in every transportation system (including roads), is that strain is indicative of insufficient capacity, and a need for further capital improvements.

Transit serves as a multiplier of other economic activity. The more people it can serve, the better the multiplier effect.
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Old February 19th, 2011, 06:34 PM   #1162
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Except that having a stable price is part and parcel of that public service. Part of the appeal of subsidized mass transit is that personal transportation costs can be anticipated and budgeted for. In a system with constantly fluctuating prices, this would be impossible. Not only that, but capital investment would be disincentivized, as price rationing (over the course of a day, extremely high during rush hour, extremely low overnight) of existing infrastructure would bring in the desired revenue while minimizing strain on the system. Of course, the point, as in every transportation system (including roads), is that strain is indicative of insufficient capacity, and a need for further capital improvements.

Transit serves as a multiplier of other economic activity. The more people it can serve, the better the multiplier effect.
Sure. But that is applicable to any transportation network, from ports to air terminals to highways and subways.

Many cities, big and medium, adopt distinct peak- and off-peak fares as a mean to divert passengers, those who don't necessarily need to travel at peak times but are not deterred by crowd itself, to off-peak times where there are more space/rolling stock/path/manpower idle.

London is an example
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Old February 21st, 2011, 12:45 AM   #1163
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Ok, I have a question, I am visiting New York City in March and want to know what are the best lines to use to get around to the major places, such as Times Square, Empire State Bldg, etc. Especially after the MTA made all these changes, it would be helpful to know.

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Old February 21st, 2011, 12:50 AM   #1164
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Ever tried the MTA website?

BTW: "all these changes"...the only routes that were changed were the W (terminated), V (terminated) and M (rerouted; took over the largest part of the route of the former V train).
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Old March 29th, 2011, 06:36 PM   #1165
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Fistfight over passenger's right to eat spaghetti in NYC subway ignites an etiquette debate
24 March 2011

NEW YORK (AP) - The city's subway riders can handle panhandlers, rats and tuneless street musicians. But eating spaghetti in a crowded subway car? Well, that's just going too far.

An Internet video that shows New Yorkers brawling over a passenger's right to nosh noodles on the subway has ignited a debate about what people should and shouldn't do in the nation's largest mass transit system.

The video, posted online anonymously, picks up mid-argument, as a woman twirls onto her fork spaghetti from a takeout container and a passenger across the aisle chides her.

"What kind of animals eat on the train like that?" says the woman across the aisle.

The diner snaps back with an epithet, and the exchange quickly degenerates into a fistfight.

"Chill out!" shouts a man as he tries to pull apart the two combatants.

The video has touched a nerve in a stressed-out city where the commutes are difficult and no perceived slight goes undocumented, thanks to cellphone video cameras.

On Internet sites, hundreds of viewers of the spaghetti skirmish debated the smell and the spilling of subterranean snackers. One YouTube contributor mixed video of the fight with scenes from the violent 1983 Al Pacino crime drama "Scarface."

Some New York commuters called for a subway system ban on food, like the ones enforced in Washington, San Francisco and other cities. The Port Authority Trans-Hudson trains, which run between New York and New Jersey, already prohibit eating.

"I think it's nasty when people eat," said Sam Ramos, as he rode a 5 train to the Bronx. "They should go somewhere else."

But at the other end of the car, John Augustine dug into a cup of chili and said people should mind their own business.

"People will fight about all kinds of things," Augustine said. "Are we going to legislate against every one of them?"

Littering, playing loud music and smoking are prohibited in the subway system. On Wednesday, the chairman of the Metropolitan Transportation Authority, which runs the city's subway and bus system, said police have bigger problems to deal with than patrolling the trains for chowhounds.

"We all have a responsibility to treat our subway system and our fellow riders with respect," chairman Jay Walder said. "This is a system that carries 5 million people a day, and I'm not sure that a ban on food is really practical or enforceable."

MTA board member Andrew Albert said such a rule would cut into food sales at newsstands, which pay rent to the agency. But another board member, Doreen Frasca, suggested the MTA should impose the rule on the Manhattan Second Avenue line, which is under construction, as a pilot program.

Some riders recently have taken enforcing subway etiquette into their own hands. Last year, artist Jason Shelowitz posted dozens of official-looking signs in stations warning commuters not to clip their nails on the subway.

"The sound is incredibly annoying and the nail bits go flying all over the place," the signs said.

"Also, keep your finger out of your nose," another sign said.

A Brooklyn graphic designer, Elizabeth Carey Smith, kept track of how many times fellow commuters offered her a seat on eight subway lines while she was pregnant. She posted a series of pie charts with the results online earlier this month. The G train, which connects Brooklyn and Queens, was the worst; the 1 and 6, linking Manhattan and the Bronx, and the A, running through Manhattan, Brooklyn and Queens, were the best.

Some riders say the underground dining is just part of New York, where a dose of weirdness comes free with every $2.50 subway fare.

During a 15-minute ride on the 6 train this week, a passenger could see: a man descending a stairway while baaing like a sheep, a pair of old men belting out "Papa was a Rolling Stone" at triple its normal speed and a woman in a huge, fur-lined parka hissing at two large rats on a platform.

Until smartphones invaded New York, such sights could only be enjoyed by locals or in the Metropolitan Diary feature in Monday's New York Times, where readers send in anecdotes about the city. But now the oddness is online for all to see.

In recent months, amateur videographers have recorded a rat scampering up the leg of a sleeping passenger, a shoving match between a passenger and a belligerent saxophonist and a commuter train barreling along an elevated track in Harlem with one of its doors stuck open.

Some riders wondered if the spaghetti scuffle was staged. Most have seen much worse violators of etiquette than the noodle-nosher in the video, said subway rider Shash Lachhman.

"I once saw somebody eating barbecued chicken with no napkins," Lachhman said. "But I still don't think you need a rule against it."
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Old April 12th, 2011, 03:12 AM   #1166
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Old May 1st, 2011, 03:14 AM   #1168
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Except that having a stable price is part and parcel of that public service. Part of the appeal of subsidized mass transit is that personal transportation costs can be anticipated and budgeted for. In a system with constantly fluctuating prices, this would be impossible. Not only that, but capital investment would be disincentivized, as price rationing (over the course of a day, extremely high during rush hour, extremely low overnight) of existing infrastructure would bring in the desired revenue while minimizing strain on the system. Of course, the point, as in every transportation system (including roads), is that strain is indicative of insufficient capacity, and a need for further capital improvements.

Transit serves as a multiplier of other economic activity. The more people it can serve, the better the multiplier effect.
That idiot is too fargone to understand the notion of mass transit as a public service. In his warped view of the world, nothing is to be exempt from the whimsical and deleterious vagaries of the "market."

Maybe fares should be set by the same speculators who jack up gas prices or crashed the economy in 2008? Suburbanist would wet himself with glee.
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Old May 12th, 2011, 05:43 AM   #1169
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Old May 12th, 2011, 06:24 AM   #1170
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lol... crazy man, but the police man was too scared, wasn't him? He should have used the taser gun
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Old May 12th, 2011, 08:16 AM   #1171
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Our system is poorly maintained, always catching up with the rest of the major cities of the world, and is falling dangerously behind with the current difficulties in the economy. I'm very pessimistic...
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Old May 12th, 2011, 05:10 PM   #1172
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Jamaica Center Bound R160A E Train @ Sutphin Blvd


I like the R160A

I've made a fantasy subway train that is based off a Paris, France subway train, but it runs like a R160A.
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Old May 14th, 2011, 11:26 PM   #1173
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This past week a preliminary framework was released for the next generation (current for most other transit systems in the world) of fare payment in NYC.

MetroCard replacement to be an ‘E-ZPass for Transit’
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While the demise of the MetroCard is still a few years away, the MTA already knows what its next-generation fare payment technology will resemble. In fact, the authority has produced a 140-page “Concept of Operations” that includes, according to the authority, “a detailed definition of what the MTA wants the system to do.” It does not, however, offer a technical solution for the system, and to that end, the authority will present its new fare payment system to an extensive group of industry experts this week.

Article with link to PDF continues at: http://secondavenuesagas.com/2011/05...s-for-transit/
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Old May 15th, 2011, 09:36 AM   #1174
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So that Mastercard tap card trial a few years ago flopped?
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Old May 31st, 2011, 06:16 AM   #1176
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So that Mastercard tap card trial a few years ago flopped?
Not exactly. As far as I know, it was a testing ground to see how the technology would work and learn from any problems that would arise. They then used this trial to help publish that lengthy report detailing specifications on the future payment system. The report does stipulate that the NFPS should allow both bankcard (Mastercard, Visa, Amex...) and MTA-issued cards to be used. IMO, this complicates the infrastructure compared to Hong Kong's transit system, but since more people use / RFID technology is already present in most credit cards, this makes more sense.
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Old June 10th, 2011, 04:57 AM   #1179
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^ Clark Street is my favourite subway stop. Great pic.
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Old June 10th, 2011, 12:16 PM   #1180
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Man the NYC underground is griiiiiimy haha, it has a certain steampunk charm to it though..
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