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Old September 15th, 2011, 06:52 PM   #1361
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The video says that the 2nd Avenue line is opening 2016. But isn't only a short portion of the line opening by then, with the rest well into the 2020's ?
It is a fairly short stretch, but that's the stretch where it's needed the most, as there's no alternative in that area. At least in Midtown there are some other lines to relieve capacity.
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Old September 15th, 2011, 06:52 PM   #1362
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It is a fairly short stretch, but that's the stretch where it's needed the most, as there's no alternative in that area. At least in Midtown there are some other lines to relieve capacity.
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Old September 16th, 2011, 07:38 PM   #1363
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Even by excluding NYC from my search, I kept getting nothing but NY subway footage when hunting vintage Tokyo subway footage


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Old September 16th, 2011, 07:42 PM   #1364
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Old September 16th, 2011, 07:45 PM   #1365
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Old September 16th, 2011, 07:47 PM   #1366
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Old September 16th, 2011, 11:17 PM   #1367
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Just to get back at the dirtiness of NY subway.. It isn't the structure itself that is the problem. The I-beams and box-shape of stations isn't what the subway makes look dirty. It's just the cleanliness. The ceilings are often cluttered with tubes and pipes. If they would just put those behind a new 2 inch lower ceiling, with new incorporated lighting, it would look just so much better. Could look like this, more or less:


Budapest metro. (One of) oldest metro systems in Europe, still looking fresh.
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Old September 16th, 2011, 11:38 PM   #1368
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still looking fresh.
"Still"? The initial segment underwent major renovation for its 100th anniversary
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Old September 17th, 2011, 12:00 PM   #1369
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"Still"? The initial segment underwent major renovation for its 100th anniversary
Yeah but still, this is what it could look like. NYCsub should get renovated like this for it's.. 110th or 120th anniversary.
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Old September 17th, 2011, 04:36 PM   #1370
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You guys crack me up. You should have seen how nasty the NYC subway was in the late 60's and all through the seventies. And part of the eighties. Compared to then nowadays it is clean.

The World is not pristine and perfect as many of you wish.

The bottom is that the system WORKS.The NYC subway is the 6th busiest in the World with 1.604 billion passengers (2010). It will get you from point A to point B.

The cost to "modernize" the stations to the liking of some of the members likes, realizing the cost of construction in New York City, would be astronomical... Not to mention the disruption of service for several years..
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Old September 17th, 2011, 08:53 PM   #1371
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I reckon there'll be sometime or other a push to earthquake-proof the system. What got me was how a train two stations away on a Bronx el caused the station where I was waiting for it to sway
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Old September 18th, 2011, 03:57 PM   #1372
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I like the dirty subway. It offers good contrast to the modern above. Leave it alone.
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Old September 18th, 2011, 05:18 PM   #1373
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Old September 20th, 2011, 04:00 PM   #1374
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The World is not pristine and perfect as many of you wish.

The bottom is that the system WORKS.The NYC subway is the 6th busiest in the World with 1.604 billion passengers (2010). It will get you from point A to point B.

The cost to "modernize" the stations to the liking of some of the members likes, realizing the cost of construction in New York City, would be astronomical... Not to mention the disruption of service for several years..
I have aesthetic concerns, but those are of lesser level. My real issue with most old subway systems is that they are not fit for those physically handicapped. Legislation grandfathered existing subway and other urban mass transit systems so that they don't have to be retrofitted with lifts, tactile signaling, audible warnings etc. I think it is too bad that people on wheelchairs will not be able to use ALL NYC stations even in 2040. Apparently, MTA deemed some stations "un-retrofittable for less than $ 500 million a piece" and just expect people on wheelchairs will use buses or para-transit. Or wait until they do Fulton STreet-like projects.
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Old September 20th, 2011, 06:58 PM   #1375
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Suburbanist, I'm surprised by your championing the needs of the disabled, your political leanings would indicate a more laissez-faire approach to the matter. Interestingly, many years back I recall reading that it would actually be cheaper to provide unlimited free door-to-door para-transit services such as dial-a-ride vans to disabled individuals than to make rolling stock and station facilities ADA compliant.
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Old September 21st, 2011, 03:07 AM   #1376
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I like the dirty subway. It offers good contrast to the modern above. Leave it alone.
is New York clean? Seems to have un-emptied overflowing garbage cans, litter etc at street level.

NYC subway is chronically bad.

Slow, terrible signage, dirty, malfunctioning ticketing system, no phone signals. Being large does not mean excellent it just means large.
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Old September 21st, 2011, 03:19 AM   #1377
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Suburbanist, I'm surprised by your championing the needs of the disabled, your political leanings would indicate a more laissez-faire approach to the matter. Interestingly, many years back I recall reading that it would actually be cheaper to provide unlimited free door-to-door para-transit services such as dial-a-ride vans to disabled individuals than to make rolling stock and station facilities ADA compliant.
He just wants to saddle transit systems with more massive unfunded mandates so that they increase fares or reduce service forcing people to drive everywhere.

The only agenda that punk has is to destroy transit and force everyone to drive cars.
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Old September 21st, 2011, 03:28 AM   #1378
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Seems to have un-emptied overflowing garbage cans, litter etc at street level
no subway negotiates a street there plus littering's bad everywhere
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is New York clean? Seems to have un-emptied overflowing garbage cans, litter etc at street level.

NYC subway is chronically bad.

Slow, terrible signage, dirty, malfunctioning ticketing system, no phone signals. Being large does not mean excellent it just means large.
Slow , its very fast , The Signage is in New Yorker terms so not anymore confusing then the roads , Ticketing system is decent , rarely malfunctions , not alot of subways have cell service. Most of the system is above ground anyway....
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Old September 21st, 2011, 04:11 PM   #1380
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^ "New Yorker terms"? Seems like regular English to me. Although I find the signs simple to understand, let's be honest, there are some ambiguities in the provided information. For example, when do "late nights" start? I know, but does a tourist or the occasional rider know? Probably not, and there's no way for them to find out at a station.
I think you need to check your claim that most of the system is above ground. By any measure - route length, track mileage, stations - most of the system is underground.
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