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Old February 3rd, 2012, 10:11 PM   #1641
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I agree, the subway's NYC's municipal railway
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Old February 4th, 2012, 02:26 AM   #1642
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I would rather the Subway and PATH merge so into the New York Metropolitan Subway. There's no good reason people in the metro area immediately west of the Hudson should have a rapid transit system that purposely ends in the Manhattan business districts (or that the 7 and L just stop at the western edge of New York).
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Old February 4th, 2012, 02:32 AM   #1643
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Isn't there some law prohibiting that?

Also, I believe the trains are incompatible or something like that.
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Old February 4th, 2012, 03:35 AM   #1644
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MarneGator, why restructure (presumably) the taxing, funding structure for a comparatively minor influx passing underneath the western municipal limits? Besides, isn't part of the fun of big-city living found in transferring to another transport network?
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I would rather the Subway and PATH merge so into the New York Metropolitan Subway. There's no good reason people in the metro area immediately west of the Hudson should have a rapid transit system that purposely ends in the Manhattan business districts (or that the 7 and L just stop at the western edge of New York).
Since the PATH is a Railroad it will never be allowed to merge with the Subway and the cars are slightly bigger then the IRT and slightly smaller then the IND / BMT system so they wouldn't fit.
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Old February 4th, 2012, 05:00 AM   #1646
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@SydneyCity / trainrover: That's the whole point of metropolitan planning organizations. Federal law also encourages interstate cooperation in such matters – see subsection (f) of § 134 and subsection (c) of § 135 of Title 23, USC – so there's certainly no major legal obstacle to the creation of a transit system operated at a truly regional level. As far as incompatible trains on the rapid transit network are concerned, I have no intention of suggesting that PATH physically merge with the Subway or vice versa because that would entail an odious degree of interlining which would reduce the effectiveness of rapid transit service outside the Manhattan trunk lines; the dimensional differences, though real, are of a lesser concern. Operationally, everything should be as tightly integrated as possible to make transit as efficient and convenient as possible to the widest range of people.
The only real problem to this picture is the slight worsening of the fiscal health of the Subway, but this is a different element of transportation planning (as well as politics in general).
@Nexis: FRA waiver or, if that's not forthcoming, sever the track connection between PATH and the mainline railroads. As far as the merging, like I suggested above, there's no compelling reason to physically merge the two systems, just to manage them as though they were a single rapid transit system. (Think of the way the IRT was incorporated into a unified subway in 1940.)
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Old February 4th, 2012, 06:10 AM   #1647
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Well there are plenty of areas within NYC that the subway needs to be expanded to before most New Yorkers would be comfortable with a NJ extension.
Staten Island most notably. And many parts of Queens.
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Old February 4th, 2012, 07:43 AM   #1648
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Instead of Integrating the subway to the PATH we should be integrating the various commuter railroads of this region which already service a million people a day. Think of what a merged system and expanded could service...
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Old February 4th, 2012, 11:16 AM   #1649
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It's a shame that the East Side Access and ARC schemes were considered separate, rather than running the LIRR/NJT services as one long line (like Paris RER, London Thameslink/Crossrail).
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Old February 4th, 2012, 05:44 PM   #1650
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@Nexis: Here's a major reason why the PATH and Subway should be dealt with first: cost and speed of integration. Look at the track maps for the two systems – http://images.nycsubway.org/trackmap/pm_west_1.png and http://world.nycsubway.org/us/path/path-trackmap.html – and you'll notice that if the track-level walls at the 14th and 23 Street stations were knocked down, you would have cross-platform transfers between the subway and PATH trains. For the mere cost of tearing down some walls, expanding a passageway or two, and repositioning fare gates, you would give Manhattan-bound workers an infinity better commute since they'd have free and painless transfers to the F and M trains (and the B and D trains to the west side with another cross-platform transfer at 42 Street-Bryant Park) to the 42-to-63 Street corridor (around 53 Street being particularly important). Likewise, 12,000+ Hudson County-bound people from the Bronx, Manhattan, and Queens would have a much better time commuting. (I'm assuming the ~5,900 people from Brooklyn would use the WTC Station while the couple thousand from Staten Island overwhelming drive).
Ultimately, yes, the commuter railroads in the region should be integrated so New York has an RER / S-Bahn type system (with free transfers in the central areas, like the RER with the Paris Métro or any S-Bahn and U-Bahn in Germany), but there's no reason the same shouldn't be true for the rapid transit systems, especially considering the relative ease at which it could be done.
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Old February 5th, 2012, 07:47 AM   #1651
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Newt Gingrich blasts Manhattanites who live in high-rises and 'ride the subway'
GOP presidential hopeful attacked nation's elites, singling out NYC
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Published: Friday, February 3, 2012, 8:01 PM
Updated: Friday, February 3, 2012, 8:01 PM

Newt Gingrich, trying to keep his floundering campaign alive, unleashed a vicious attack Friday - on New York City.

Gingrich, appearing in Las Vegas the day before the Nevada caucuses, railed against the nation’s power brokers and — instead of swiping rival Mitt Romney — took an unprovoked shot at Manhattan.

Raging against the nation’s “elites,” Gingrich singled out those who live in city “high-rises” and those “that ride the subway.”

The bizarre attack raised questions about Gingrich’s erratic campaign, and not just because a ride on the city subway is just $2.25 — hardly a price only the elites can afford.


Gingrich’s slam on the city may have been due to misplaced anger at one of its most famous residents, Donald Trump.

Gingrich traveled to New York last year to kiss Trump’s ring in a bid for The Donald’s endorsement.

He held a Manhattan press conference with Trump and was one of only two candidates who agreed to participate in an Iowa debate moderated by the real estate mogul. (It was ultimately canceled because none of the other candidates agreed to show up.)

And while rumors flew Wednesday night that Gingrich was going to get Trump’s blessing, the reality TV star instead endorsed Mitt Romney — who dodged the press when he met the real estate mogul in Manhattan.

The broadside at Broadway also seemed odd considering that Gingrich counts the upper East Side as one of his most fertile fund-raising grounds, campaign records show.

The ex-speaker, whose event in Las Vegas was sparsely attended, has squandered all of his momentum from his stunning South Carolina win.

He was crushed in Florida and, according to a Public Policy Polling survey released Friday, is now down 25 points to Romney in Nevada.

The expected Romney rout in the Silver State — which he won four years ago, aided in part by its large Mormon population — may be the first of many in the coming weeks.

The upcoming primary calendar is heavy on states where Romney has invested heavily, like Arizona and Michigan, where he was born.

Ron Paul has spent a lot of time in some of the upcoming small caucus states, like Minnesota and Maine, and could steal some delegates, but neither Gingrich nor Rick Santorum seem poised to make much of a dent in Romney’s lead before Super Tuesday in early March.

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Old February 5th, 2012, 07:54 AM   #1652
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The problem with PATH/Subway integration dates back to the end of the 19th century, when the five boroughs joined to become New York City. What should have happened is that New York should have given Staten Island to NJ in return for the eastern half of Hudson County, NJ, which includes Hoboken, Jersey City, Union City and other thickly settled areas. If eastern Hudson County became the fifth borough instead of Staten, then the subway would have been built there during the subway building boom prior to World War II. In fact, at least 4 lines would have been built to those areas which would quickly become dense due to their proximity to Midtown. And those lines would have likely continued past Manhattan to one of the other three boroughs instead of ending at WTC or Herald Sq like PATH does.

Staten Island just makes more sense being in NJ, and the areas across the Hudson from Manhattan would make more sense being in NYC (the Hudson is not much wider than the East River).
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Old February 5th, 2012, 11:35 PM   #1653
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What was so pressing about renaming the borough from Richmond, do you know?



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Old February 6th, 2012, 12:53 AM   #1654
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But that's ignoring the fact that it is not just the NYC subway that makes up the NYC urban transit system. The subway is just one part of the greater network, much like how Toei metro and Tokyo subway along with the network of independent suburban lines make up Tokyo's urban rail system. There is no need to extend the 7. Instead extend the PATH. Did we forget about the PATH?
Pretty much every other US city that runs a subway or light rail system extends one or more of their lines out to the suburbs... NYC is the only one I can think of that doesn't.
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The Added taxes which every county and town the MTA services has , would make it very hard to sell to NJ residents... Alot of NJ residents are against anymore links to NYC....they rather see the $$$ invested in connecting Urban Jersey to the suburbs...
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Those weekend work photos fascinate me, very interesting
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I don't think i want to know what i'm looking at there.

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