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Old February 6th, 2012, 11:40 PM   #1661
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Is it really necessary to post that?

I don't think it really adds any value (other than shock value) that an article or simple text explanation couldn't provide.
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Old February 7th, 2012, 10:33 AM   #1662
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That is why FRA should mandate platform screen doors in any subway and commuter train in US and give a time frame (say 10 years) for the transit agencies to install them or fine/forbid the use of stations not fit with this fundamental safety device
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Old February 7th, 2012, 02:20 PM   #1663
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Old February 8th, 2012, 01:26 AM   #1664
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That is why FRA should mandate platform screen doors in any subway and commuter train in US and give a time frame (say 10 years) for the transit agencies to install them or fine/forbid the use of stations not fit with this fundamental safety device
They'd be near-impossible to install at many subway stations for engineering reasons as well as the fact that since most of the subway isn't automated, it'd require manual precision down the millimetre on the part of the driver to align the car and doors, which is basically insane. Also, if you're going to come up with a reason for their installation, it should be as a result of improved airflow and reduced track fires, not falling off a platform.
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Old February 8th, 2012, 01:30 PM   #1665
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Old February 8th, 2012, 10:18 PM   #1666
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What project is this? Is this track replacement in an existing tunnel, or part of an extension? Where is this taking place?
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Old February 9th, 2012, 03:08 AM   #1667
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That is why FRA should mandate platform screen doors in any subway and commuter train in US and give a time frame (say 10 years) for the transit agencies to install them or fine/forbid the use of stations not fit with this fundamental safety device
Tens of thousands of people are killed by falling in front of cars and trucks. Should the NHTSA mandate platform screen doors on all sidewalks too, and shut down any roads without them?
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Old February 9th, 2012, 02:08 PM   #1668
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Old February 9th, 2012, 02:13 PM   #1669
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Great photos! Great thread! Awesome city!
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Old February 9th, 2012, 03:50 PM   #1670
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What project is this? Is this track replacement in an existing tunnel, or part of an extension? Where is this taking place?
replacement of the concrete trackbed of the tracks on the 1/2/3 line at 14 St & 7 Av in Manhattan (14th Street station, circa 1918).
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Old February 9th, 2012, 10:54 PM   #1671
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replacement of the concrete trackbed of the tracks on the 1/2/3 line at 14 St & 7 Av in Manhattan (14th Street station, circa 1918).
So its just one station, or 1 section between stations? Or is this part of a greater project to do this to other stations further down the road?
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Old February 10th, 2012, 08:31 AM   #1672
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Platform screen doors would be impossible to implement on NYC's subway because cars of different legnths (and therefore door positions) share the same platforms.
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Old February 10th, 2012, 01:17 PM   #1673
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That is why FRA should mandate platform screen doors in any subway and commuter train in US and give a time frame (say 10 years) for the transit agencies to install them or fine/forbid the use of stations not fit with this fundamental safety device
That is bullshit. Investing a fortune just to prevent some dickheads from jumping infront of a subway car.
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Old February 10th, 2012, 06:52 PM   #1674
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That is bullshit. Investing a fortune just to prevent some dickheads from jumping infront of a subway car.
It is NOT all jumpers.
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Old February 11th, 2012, 12:16 AM   #1675
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Platform screen doors would be impossible to implement on NYC's subway because cars of different legnths (and therefore door positions) share the same platforms.
Definitely true. So many of the rolling stocks are vastly different, unlike the rolling stocks of Paris.

In Paris, there are only two designs used for the current rolling stock. Designs that are older than 1975 utilize eight doors per train car (four doors per side), while designs after 1975 utilize a six door per train car design (three doors per side).

For example, here is a 1977 stock train at a station that is already equipped with platform screen doors. This train utilizes a six door per train car configuration.
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However, in New York, I've noticed that many trains have oddball door positions and smaller car lengths (especially older models) which make it impossible to synchronize with platform screen doors. Perhaps when the MTA is able to phase out its older rolling stock, in favor of the newer stock (eight doors per train car), then platform screen doors may be considered for installation on several lines.
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Old February 11th, 2012, 08:02 AM   #1676
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The MTA has earlier mentioned that it intends to standardize the B-Division fleet with 60 ft. cars, so the door problem will be a non-issue in the future; the same could be said of the A-Division when all those trains are standardized with R142-type trains.
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Old February 11th, 2012, 01:58 PM   #1677
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no plan to modernize this metro within the 40 next years?
new cars?
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Old February 11th, 2012, 02:57 PM   #1678
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no plan to modernize this metro within the 40 next years?
new cars?
They are , it will be done by 2025.....
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Old February 11th, 2012, 03:20 PM   #1679
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NYC subway cars are not as old as many believe.
Most of the rolling stock was built after 1990.
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Old February 11th, 2012, 05:58 PM   #1680
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The MTA has earlier mentioned that it intends to standardize the B-Division fleet with 60 ft. cars, so the door problem will be a non-issue in the future; the same could be said of the A-Division when all those trains are standardized with R142-type trains.
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NYC subway cars are not as old as many believe.
Most of the rolling stock was built after 1990.
Interesting...
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