Camillus House

[mileageman]

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[FIDEL CASTRO]

Good.

Is Camillus housing the homeless from Miami Beach?

[Roark]

Originally Posted by FIDEL CASTRO

Good.
Is Camillus housing the homeless from Miami Beach?

The former city manager once told that they try to transport them over to Camillus House, but the homeless on Miami Beach didn't want to go "over there". You know, the South Beach people are simply snobby.

[FIDEL CASTRO]

heheheheh lol.

[Södermalm]

letter to the editor of the New York Times regarding NYC buying one-way tickets for the homeless:

We in Miami are sadly aware of this sort of practice. Every winter when it gets cold in the northern states, our streets become full of homeless, especially men, who arrive on Greyhound with tickets paid for by the northern cities. This way they don't have to house them there.

Mary Browning
Miami Beach, FL

Is there any way for Miami to prevent these northern cities from doing this? I am guessing 99% of Miami homeless are not native to the area.

[Roark]

Originally Posted by Södermalm

letter to the editor of the New York Times regarding NYC buying one-way tickets for the homeless:
We in Miami are sadly aware of this sort of practice. Every winter when it gets cold in the northern states, our streets become full of homeless, especially men, who arrive on Greyhound with tickets paid for by the northern cities. This way they don't have to house them there.
Mary Browning
Miami Beach, FL

Is there any way for Miami to prevent these northern cities from doing this? I am guessing 99% of Miami homeless are not native to the area.

Judging by the number and content of Mary Browning's posts, she would benefit more from the seasonal influx of men by embracing them (if you know what I mean) rather than bitching and complaining about them.

Just curious Södermalm, if your guess is correct that 99% of the homeless people aren't native to the area, where do you guess that their home address is listed?

[Södermalm]

Originally Posted by Roark

Just curious Södermalm, if your guess is correct that 99% of the homeless people aren't native to the area, where do you guess that their home address is listed?

well I know definitively that cleveland and detroit are guilty of this practice, but i am sure there are many others as well.

i noticed that many of them dont even bother straying very far from the greyhound terminal in park west. maybe one solution could be to move the miami greyhound terminal out into the middle of the everglades

[Roark]

Originally Posted by Södermalm

i noticed that many of them dont even bother straying very far from the greyhound terminal in park west. maybe one solution could be to move the miami greyhound terminal out into the middle of the everglades

Catch up...start reading this thread from the beginning and it will help you understand why homeless people congregate near the homeless shelter (the homeless shelter by the bus station). You will also read some great information about when the homeless shelter is moving to a different location.

[noland123]

Well during the Hurricane season(rigtht now)we can return the favor to our friends up north by giving the homeless a one-way ticket out of Miami telling them its too windy down here. A little tit for tat

[noland123]

Originally Posted by Roark

Judging by the number and content of Mary Browning's posts, she would benefit more from the seasonal influx of men by embracing them (if you know what I mean) rather than bitching and complaining about them.

Just curious Södermalm, if your guess is correct that 99% of the homeless people aren't native to the area, where do you guess that their home address is listed?

The key words are "home address" in that last sentence.

[Södermalm]

Originally Posted by Roark

Catch up...start reading this thread from the beginning and it will help you understand why homeless people congregate near the homeless shelter (the homeless shelter by the bus station). You will also read some great information about when the homeless shelter is moving to a different location.

yes, i am well aware of all of this, but you are missing the main point i am bringing up: how do we prevent or dissuade cleveland/boston/detroit/philly etc. from shipping their homeless down to miami every winter.

i think it is great that miami has one of the best homeless programs in the country, and is building this state of the art facility that will move the homeless out of downtown, but this is still an issue that should be addressed.

[Roark]

Originally Posted by noland123

The key words are "home address" in that last sentence.

Thanks Noland. I'm glad someone understood the sarcasm.

[Roark]

Originally Posted by Södermalm

you are missing the main point i am bringing up: how do we prevent or dissuade cleveland/boston/detroit/philly etc. from shipping their homeless down to miami every winter.

Okay...so that is your point. Interesting question, it the premise correct?

Please provide evidence of Cleveland/Boston/Philly etc. really "shipping their homeless down". Is their one sliver of evidence of this?

Certainly...I'd like to THINK before POSTING an answer to this question.

[Hia-leah JDM]

I've heard of northern cities bussing in homeless people into Orlando too. They are notoriously tough on them up in Orlando..

[Roark]

Originally Posted by Hia-leah JDM

I've heard of northern cities bussing in homeless people into Orlando too. They are notoriously tough on them up in Orlando..

Yeah...up North. That is where they do a lot of cow tipping as well.

[Bobdreamz]

I'm in Orlando now and the city won't even let a non profit group called Food not Bombs feed the homeless at a downtown park! Orlando is heartless in that regard.

[AddictedToSpace]

Originally Posted by Roark

Okay...so that is your point. Interesting question, it the premise correct?

Please provide evidence of Cleveland/Boston/Philly etc. really "shipping their homeless down". Is their one sliver of evidence of this?

Certainly...I'd like to THINK before POSTING an answer to this question.

Maybe not Cleveland/Boston/Philly etc. but very likely New York City is "shipping their homeless down." I have included a link from a "Fair and Balanced" news source. Plus by the look at the stands at the last Marlins - Yankees series, we know New Yorkers love coming down to Miami.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,535241,00.html

[spellbound]

Originally Posted by Södermalm

yes, i am well aware of all of this, but you are missing the main point i am bringing up: how do we prevent or dissuade cleveland/boston/detroit/philly etc. from shipping their homeless down to miami every winter.

I live in Philly and have NEVER heard of homeless people here being 'shipped' to Miami. Can you provide any evidence of it?

In any regard, the truth of the matter is that the homeless exist in every city---come from every city---and if you have any kind of conscience you treat them as what they are. Human beings.

Sure, some are total bums. Addicted to whatever but still physically and mentally able to hold down a job. They're the ones you see day after day in the same spot, always sketchy...always with a bullshit story about 'needing gas' or whatever. I never give those guys any money---and if I do it's by mistake or just not paying attention.

Don't forget about the other homeless, though. The ones with very real mental issues that should NEVER have been tossed onto American streets...the ones with myriad unresolved problems (including an unconscionable number of military veterans) that never got the help and/or prescription they needed to deal with their demons, and are instead left to roam and fend for themselves. People like that cannot help being what they are because they have an illness that goes untreated. We can and should do better as a society in treating them rather than just tossing them to the curb.

It's a psychological issue most people have with the homeless. It discomforts us and reminds us there's a thread of connection between who we are and who 'the other' is. Total disconnect with the homeless, however, may as well be shutting off every single empathetic, human part of your brain.

[Roark]

Still no evidence.
Just conjecture and imagination.
Bloomberg's program to relieve NYC's shelters was last month's news. According to the NYT article that "broke the story", 550 people have been served by the City, they send homeless people to homes of relatives if the family members promise to provide care.
The City program is filling a funding void left for a 150 Year old non-profit Traveler's Aid. So really, I guess this is last century's news.

Independant of the program in NYC or anywhere else, the idea that homeless men are shipped down to Miami for the winter (Jets games notwithstanding) does not hold water.

Still, no one has sent a shred of evidence concerning northern cities shipping their homeless down to congregate around the Greyhound Bus Station. It is simply ludicrous.

[Södermalm]

Originally Posted by noland123

Well during the Hurricane season(rigtht now)we can return the favor to our friends up north by giving the homeless a one-way ticket out of Miami telling them its too windy down here. A little tit for tat

it is easier to give someone a one way ticket to paradise than the other way around

Originally Posted by Roark

Okay...so that is your point. Interesting question, it the premise correct?

Please provide evidence of Cleveland/Boston/Philly etc. really "shipping their homeless down". Is their one sliver of evidence of this?

Certainly...I'd like to THINK before POSTING an answer to this question.

this issue has been in the news lately:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/32215596/

but what is not being covered goes a step further - local activists in other northern cities take up collections as winter sets in to buy one way greyhound tickets to warm weather cities, notably miami. again, i know this definitively to be true, and this is widely known among local activists who are involved. if you really do want to know more about this issue, i suggest you get involved, volunteer, participate - and you will learn.