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Old November 23rd, 2009, 07:59 PM   #1481
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Hardly born and already dead...

Hello folks,

I really feel sorry for you guys...It must be hard to swallow the pill given that the works had begun...

I'm not russian,but the cancellation of this great tower is very sad.

I'm as gutted as you are but there's nothing we can do.The crisis strikes everywhere and already has made some other projects uncertain in the world...

Let's hope Moscow will design another interesting tower once the crisis is over.

Bye to you all.
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Old November 23rd, 2009, 08:17 PM   #1482
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Hello folks,

I really feel sorry for you guys...It must be hard to swallow the pill given that the works had begun...

I'm not russian,but the cancellation of this great tower is very sad.

I'm as gutted as you are but there's nothing we can do.The crisis strikes everywhere and already has made some other projects uncertain in the world...

Let's hope Moscow will design another interesting tower once the crisis is over.

Bye to you all.
I also really feel sorry for you...

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It's not cancelled yet. Nobody has bought a plot so far yet, nor nobody has bought Russian Land entire business or single projects. So it's still on hold.

next time read the thread before posting
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Old November 23rd, 2009, 09:30 PM   #1483
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be realistic.
This thing is cancelled.

Whatever will be built on this plot will be completely different so Russia Tower is cancelled in the design (and name too) as we know it.
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Old November 24th, 2009, 10:47 AM   #1484
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be realistic.
This thing is cancelled.

Whatever will be built on this plot will be completely different so Russia Tower is cancelled in the design (and name too) as we know it.

Maybe, but I still believe that not
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Old November 24th, 2009, 11:32 AM   #1485
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why they cancel this project? .. i guest so by some time they will find way to continue this..
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Old November 24th, 2009, 03:26 PM   #1486
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why they cancel this project? .. i guest so by some time they will find way to continue this..
This was due to the global economic recession, they were in the middle of preparations already.

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I also really feel sorry for you...
... and we for you. Reminds me of the Twin Towers 2 crowd.
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Old November 25th, 2009, 10:49 PM   #1487
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From today's press-conference. The tower is not cancelled, it's officially on hold and still planned to be built. But while they are looking for a new investor and solving all legal questions they plans to build a cheap-quick temporal ground solution for parking. All legal questions to build the parking should be clear by next month.
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Old November 25th, 2009, 11:15 PM   #1488
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From today's press-conference. The tower is not cancelled, it's officially on hold and still planned to be built. But while they are looking for a new investor and solving all legal questions they plans to build a cheap-quick temporal ground solution for parking. All legal questions to build the parking should be clear by next month.
But I suppose that it will have to be re-approved...
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Old November 26th, 2009, 07:29 AM   #1489
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...and redesigned, and renamed. If thats not true just correct me. But i suppose as 612m russia tower its dead.
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Old November 26th, 2009, 10:17 AM   #1490
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All depend on will future investor buy only a land plot, whole project or entire business.
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Old November 26th, 2009, 10:34 AM   #1491
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In my opinion, there are some kinds of insane races in human history, e.g:
1. Nuclear arms race
2. Supertall skyscraper race
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Old November 26th, 2009, 10:41 AM   #1492
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In my opinion, there are some kinds of insane races in human history, e.g:
1. Nuclear arms race
2. Supertall skyscraper race
If mankind back in 1950s started with economic and scientific race, then the world will be totally different right now. Good thing the Cold War is gone and we are now starting with the economic race. However, we are currently struggling with the economic race. Hoping we will recover soon.
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Old November 26th, 2009, 11:03 AM   #1493
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If mankind back in 1950s started with economic and scientific race, then the world will be totally different right now. Good thing the Cold War is gone and we are now starting with the economic race. However, we are currently struggling with the economic race. Hoping we will recover soon.
That is one of the dumbest things to say. Warfare is probably one of the greatest ways of achieving economic advancement and prosperity.
Yes, destruction and mayhem are an inherent part of it, but the scientific and technological discoveries/achievements kick started by military research are endless. Virtually everything around you nowadays is somewhat a spinoff from the will to annihilate yesterday or even today's declared enemy.
The Cold War was a fantastic opportunity for development and real progress; and if I may add, you Yanks should have picked a man better fitted to understand modern day challenges then the child currently not launching the new phase of military/scientific research he should have launched to answer Chinese and Russian ambitions.

"Good thing the Cold War is gone..." Think again. From a humanistic point of view, your statement is just about viable (still very naive though). Period.
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Old November 27th, 2009, 07:36 AM   #1494
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Cold hor Hot is just a reference to a certain war
human conflicts are endless so the war is unavoidable from time to time on earth
Let us hope that there would be no such a big war which would end the human existence.
The arms race is unavoidable
But is the crazy supertall race (500, 800, 1200 m...) really needed for human life or its just about show-off ? can it be stoppable?
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Old November 27th, 2009, 10:31 AM   #1495
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I hate the supertalls so much (e.g. the latest one in dubai) it resembles a tree not a human house. In that case human living has been put back onto trees, a backward evolution?
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Old November 27th, 2009, 11:25 AM   #1496
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That is one of the dumbest things to say. Warfare is probably one of the greatest ways of achieving economic advancement and prosperity.
Yes, destruction and mayhem are an inherent part of it, but the scientific and technological discoveries/achievements kick started by military research are endless. Virtually everything around you nowadays is somewhat a spinoff from the will to annihilate yesterday or even today's declared enemy.
The Cold War was a fantastic opportunity for development and real progress; and if I may add, you Yanks should have picked a man better fitted to understand modern day challenges then the child currently not launching the new phase of military/scientific research he should have launched to answer Chinese and Russian ambitions.

"Good thing the Cold War is gone..." Think again. From a humanistic point of view, your statement is just about viable (still very naive though). Period.
this is one of the dumbest things to say. warfare is one of the most inefficient engines for economic growth. it costs money to finance wars that serve the sole purpose of destroying capital. the same scientific achievements during war could also be the achievements without war if you invest the same amount of money. real economic growth comes from industry driven innovation that demands technology and human capital and is not dependent on government funded research in how to kill people.
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War is bad for business, and the more global the economy becomes, the more resistance there will be to war. Increasingly, trade partners find themselves on the opposite sides of a political machinery. I think we saw the last world war already, and maybe the internet plays a role in that.
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Old November 27th, 2009, 05:11 PM   #1498
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War is bad for business, and the more global the economy becomes, the more resistance there will be to war. Increasingly, trade partners find themselves on the opposite sides of a political machinery. I think we saw the last world war already, and maybe the internet plays a role in that.
you'd think russia would benefit from an all out war. i mean they have alot of commodities and war would jack up the price and demand, and to be honest, Russia kindof runs there economy on commodities...

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Old November 27th, 2009, 05:20 PM   #1499
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That is one of the dumbest things to say. Warfare is probably one of the greatest ways of achieving economic advancement and prosperity.
Yes, destruction and mayhem are an inherent part of it, but the scientific and technological discoveries/achievements kick started by military research are endless. Virtually everything around you nowadays is somewhat a spinoff from the will to annihilate yesterday or even today's declared enemy.
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"Good thing the Cold War is gone..." Think again. From a humanistic point of view, your statement is just about viable (still very naive though). Period.
umm, i personally dont agree with you. if we had not been in a Cold War, scientists would still have researched, but they would share there research with other scientists in the world elsewhere who can use their findings and more effectivly inform one another... thus, scientists would be able to reasearch more advanced technologies and solutions to our problems. Not to mention, we wouldn't have that stupid nuclear race that is now threatening all of our lives with the N.K.s and Iranians (altho the Iranians may be telling the truth, but I'm not sure yet) threatening to start a nuclear war. Not to mention, upkeeping the nuclear missles costs a (forgive the language) shitload of taxpayer's money.
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you'd think russia would benefit from an all out war. i mean they have alot of commodities and war would jack up the price and demand, and to be honest, Russia kindof runs there economy on commodities...

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