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Old September 28th, 2006, 06:23 AM   #1
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Lessons of WTC - New Skyscraper Designs

Lessons of World Trade Center tragedy reflected globally in new skyscraper designs
By DAVID B. CARUSO
6 September 2006

NEW YORK (AP) - For a few months in 2001, architects worried that the era of the super-skyscraper was over.

Even as ash from the World Trade Center still swirled, it was clear that the high floors of the twin towers had been a deadly trap. Experts wondered if anyone would ever build tall again.

The answer was quickly revealed to be an emphatic, "yes." Skyscraper construction has surged globally since the terrorist attacks, prompting architects and engineers to ponder a new question: What should be done to make new towers safer?

That question has been harder to answer.

Architects, engineers and builders have split over the value of several possible safety enhancements, including better fireproofing, wider stairwells, and "hardened" elevator shafts that could be used in evacuations.

"You don't want to go about designing every building as if it were a terrorist target, when the reality is, most aren't," said Ronald O. Hamburger, past president of the National Council of Structural Engineers Associations.

The debate is likely to heat up in late September, when the International Code Council begins hearings on proposed revisions to its model building code, including 19 suggested by the National Institute of Standards and Technology as a result of its World Trade Center investigation.

If approved, the package would create new rules on the design of exit stairwells and fire-suppression systems, require fire service elevators in some towers, and mandate protections against collapse when part of a building is severely damaged.

Glenn Corbett, a fire protection expert at the John Jay College of Criminal Justice in New York, said many of the proposed changes have been too long in coming.

"Are we moving in the right direction? Yes. Are we moving fast enough, probably not," he said.

Even without major changes to the building code, modifications inspired by Sept. 11 have begun turning up.

One of the poster children for skyscraper safety now stands at the edge of ground zero.

The first tower at ground zero to be rebuilt after the attacks, 7 World Trade Center, boasts some of the most robust safety features ever put in place in a U.S. office building.

The 741-foot skyscraper was built with a core of thick concrete, rather than steel. Its beams are protected by five times the fireproofing mandated by code. Redundant water pipes feed the fire sprinklers in case one line is destroyed. Evacuation stairwells are pressurized to keep out smoke and are 20 percent wider than required by law.

The Freedom Tower, now under construction, will have all those features, plus more, including fortified elevator shafts and stairwells and a bomb-resistant base.

Carl Galioto, a partner at Skidmore Owings & Merrill, which designed both buildings, acknowledged that the improvements aren't cheap, and may not be necessary everywhere.

"Should all of these features be in building codes immediately? No, I don't think so. It would be really overreaching," he said.

But he said each merits discussion in almost every high-rise building, and should be seriously considered in towers over 900 feet (275 meters) tall.

There are likely to be plenty of new buildings that meet that height criteria. Huge new skyscrapers are under construction around the globe, including at least four expected to be taller than the World Trade Center.

Since 2001, developers have been increasingly willing to consider sacrificing valuable square footage for safety features, experts said.

Eugene Kohn, a principal at Kohn Pedersen Fox Associates, a designer of some of the world's tallest buildings, said the use of the concrete core in buildings has proliferated and some architects are adding extra stairwell capacity and abandoning the old maxim that elevators should be off-limits to building occupants during an evacuation.

"If you have to move 10 or 15 or 20,000 people out of these buildings, the only way to do it with any expediency is to make the elevators part of it," said Robert Solomon, assistant vice president of the National Fire Protection Association.

No architects are designing their buildings to withstand a jet aircraft's impact.

"To do something like that, you wouldn't want to live in that building. It would be like a fortress. It would be so ungainly looking," Kohn said.
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To do something like that, you wouldn't want to live in that building. It would be like a fortress. It would be so ungainly looking," Kohn said.
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If this is the case then why are there been supertalls being built in Tapei, Shanghai, and Dubai?
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because Dubai is using elevator's for the Burj Dubai, like it said in that article "the only way to do it with any expediency is to make the elevators part of it," said Robert Solomon,
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If it wasn't for what occurred on 9/11, then Twins would have been the safest buildings in the world, though nobody had anticipated planes going into buildings on purpose back in the 1960's.
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